Friday, July 14, 2006

Thread #10 - Baltimore Jewish Times Not Interested in the Case of Shmuel Juravel

Shmuel Juravel
Every week I skim throw the articles at the Baltimore Jewish Times waiting to read about one of their own - Shmuel Juravel.

I just checked the on-line edition of the paper again and found that Polling it's readership to see how they feel about Conservative synagogues allowing non-Jewish spouses of member to hold the Torah during services -- is much more important then writing about Shmuel Juravel who is held without bail in a federal prison for sex crimes.

Why should the Baltimore Jewish Times care that there are several survivors of Samuel Juravel living in Baltimore who might not know that there is help out there for them, or that their testimony could be important?

I keep forgetting, that Rabbis Hopfer, Heinemann and Neuberger don't want this case to get that much publicity. Juravel is from one of those families that need to be protected from scandals like this one.

A jury trial will continue on August 15, 2006 on the case of Samuel Juravel. Shmuel Juravel has been held in custody since his arrest back on Feb 21, 2006.

Jury Trial Continued
August 14 at 9:00 am.

Judge Coogler
United States Circuit Court - Alabama Northern District
Hugo L. Black U. S. Courthouse
Birmingham, AL

Shmuel faces 70 years in Federal prison without parole plus a $750,000.00 fine.

Agents from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the FBI arrested Shmuel Juravel (Feb. 21, 2005) at a Birmingham hotel after he arranged to have sex with a minor.

Juravel grew up in Baltimore, MD. Around fifteen years ago the first allegations were made against Shmuel of child sexual molestation. According to statements made on the various threads, survivors and their parents sought help from Rabbi Moshe Heinemann who said he would take care of things. Needless to say, nothing happened.

Shmuel is the son of Rabbi Moshe and Shulamis Juravel of Baltimore, MD. Rabbi Juravel is employeed as a teacher at the Torah Institute of Baltimore. Shmuel Juravel is also the nephew of Rabbi Dovid Juravel and Rebbitzen Chana Juravel.

Samuel Juravel has 3 attorneys, 2 from the Law firm of Sirote and Permutt.
L. Robert Isaacson - is the third attorney has a private practice (Walter's Law Office) in Savannah, GA.

The prosecuting attorneys are:
  • John H England, III - Assistant US Attorney, Northern District of. Alabama, Southern Division
  • Alice H Martin - Assistant US Attorney, Northern District of. Alabama, Southern Division

Due to the number of postings on Thread #9, the discussion of Shmuel Juravel will continue here on Thread #10.


Anonymous the guardian said...

Y'know what?
There are a lot of sexual predators out there, but very few make the press outside of the localities where the crimes take place. Take Juravel. In Birmingham and in Savannah, the story got press.

Has anything been alleged to the authorities in Baltimore?

Should the hometown of every sexual predator cover the story?

In this case, I think the Baltimore activists see themselves as a bit more important than anyone else.
They also have these grand conspiracy theories about rabbis, which may or may not have some truth to them.

But the bottom line is...what makes this story of interest to the Baltimore Jewish Community?

Juravel has not spent any significant amount of his adult life in Baltimore, right?

It's the extremist attitude like the one displayed on this blog about Baltimore that takes credibility away from people who are really protecting people.

Grow up.

July 14, 2006 10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Isaacson is a "friend" of Juravel's and as Isaacson has stated, he thinks that the sentencing guidelines are too harsh for a child molester..even though he knows several of the children that were molested as well as their famlies.
It has been asked of Mr. Isaacson
if Juravel molested one of his family members, would his "frienddship" with Juravel prevail. It seem to many that Mr. Isaacson has shown a callous
feeling towards these Jewish children and their parents while going to bat for Child Molester Juravel. It nice to be a loyal friend but when a friend molests
children, lied to the community, hurt all associated with him,wife,children,inlaws,Rabbi's,everyone,...well what good is that friendship. Juravel will use all including Mr.Isaacson for Juravel
purpose. Mr. Isaacson should withdraw himself from contact with and defense of Juravel, let outside atty's handle the case and when Juravel is in prison,Mr. Isaacson can visit him every weekend to keep his good friend Juravel.Of course,Mr. Isaacson won't see it that way ; he would be to embarressed to say that he rushed to judgement in his stand for Juravel.
By the way, Mr. Isaacson is a very well respected person and a truly nice person. I guess that's why so many people can't really understand his position towards "his friend,Juravel".

Like a Jew defending a Nazi who he knew before the war,Nazi became a war criminal and defending him after the war. The devil made him do it,your honor. Wasn't his fault.

July 14, 2006 10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

echoing the thoughts of the moderator, I agree there appears to be a real problem in Baltimore.

It may be true that there is a problem elsewhere, but Baltimore seems especially warped.

The process of keeping quiet and allowing violators to go to other communities and do it again is particularly evil. Jews in Eretz Yisrael, Savannah, or elsewhere are just as holy as in Baltimore.

Rabbis in Baltimore are human and I accept that there may have been some honest errors. However, it is clear that there is a pattern. It is either conspiratorial or grossly incompetent. Either way, the consequences are unacceptable.

In the case of Esigrau, several have said that if he goes to an independent psychologist who examines him and determines that he is not a threat, people will accept that. This is a reasonable approach to allay any suspicion.

Until that time, Esigrau has the misfortune of being in Baltimore. A community with an apparant history of covering up and allowing people to move on to do it again can't be trusted to clear his name. If he is truly innocent, the independent psychologist is the way to prove he can be trusted. He should be happy to be able to clear his name.

I was planning to move with my family to Baltimore later next year. Now, we would not move there under any circumstances. I know of people from larger cities that are avoiding a Shidduch with people from Baltimore. They are afraid of another SJ.

July 14, 2006 1:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is stupid. Baltimore is like any other city and if you think your city is any different, get real.

In today's political climate, with strengthened legislation, sexual abuse is not fashionable. If you imagine a cabal, write a book, a conspiracy theory, and see if the new york times reviews it. I doubt it, in/un credible.

When molesters are identified, the word goes out, more and more thanks to the fine work of the fbi.

If you want to say nasty things about the jewish times, write to them over and over and over again and I trust their professional, journalistic judgement to do the right thing.

and ignore you.

July 14, 2006 2:07 PM  
Blogger Karma said...

It is so ridiculous the extent to which the Jewish community continues to think it can remain in denial about sexual violence. We need to make this a central issue, as has become with domestic violence.

July 14, 2006 5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a prominent family in Baltimore named Steinharter. They are close friends of Eisgrau and have done some dirty cover up work connected to the allegations against him. They have money and I was wondering if anyone has any insight...Are the Big Three N,H,H, controlling the Steinharters, or are the Steinharters and their money controlling the Rabbis?

July 15, 2006 2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shmuel Juravel is finally getting what he most wanted, to be reconized in the community. He is infamous,everyone knows who he is, what he is and the evil that he generates. He has generated enough interest to have 10 threads, more then anyone else. Yep, you sure are famous Shmuel along with your defenders.

July 15, 2006 7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just read this posting and thought others would be interested in it too. It's about the Where-What-When

July 15, 2006 11:41 PM  
Anonymous abe said...

I am new to these blogs. I recently pointed out several points on eisgrau's side of the story, and was viciously attcked for that.
can't there be two sides to a story?
none of us will ever know the absolute truth of what happened between two people privately. but to all the serious readers, we have an obligation to weigh all the information on both sides. anonymous bloggers can say anything, and it is often mis-information. be careful. one example - it's been said the baltimore rabbis are making a lot of money. how do you know? why do you talk out of ignorance?
at a financial meeting of the shul, the actual income and expenses were dislcosed. a number of people were upset about the rabbi's salary, saying it was much too low, an embarrassment to the shul. when it was explained that this rabbi has a second job and that the salary was comparable to other shuls, most people calmed down. by the way, this particular rabbi refuses to take any money for performing a bris, wedding, funeral, etc, I know first hand. If someone insists, he tells them to make a contribution to the shul, from which he is already receiving his proper salary. this is just one of so many reasons why hundreds of informed families admire and trust these rabbis. I mention this story because it was semi-public. I know many more private stories that I've seen myself that I won't mention because of privacy.
I have a realistic suggestion to those who seem to hate or distrust the current rabbis. join together and hire a rabbi that YOU trust. it must be horrible to spend life criticizing other people's rabbis.
find your own or hire a new one.
remember, rabbi akiva said he hated the rabbis so much that he would have bitten one if he had the chance. then, after he got to know them, he changed his mind, admired them, and became one of them, rising to the top.
the brad case was given as a response to me. maybe there was a brad and maybe there was some sort of an incident, but it is very suspicious that it was never reported to this blog site or to vicki polin before now. why blame rabbi heinemann for "just running him out of town" when you yourself never did anything? if the story is true, it is more likely that the rabbi didn't have enough evidence to do anything more. besides, if brad confided in the rabbi, the rabbi could have been sued big time for violating the clergy confidence. let's stop criticizing everyone we can get a hold of and just concentrate on what we can do.

vicki polin lives in baltimore. she stirs up a lot of the reporting, so it is natural that much more is reported in baltimore. the same would be the case in any city.

unfortunately, although the idea of exposing molesters is a good one, it is very difficult to read all the sheker (falsehhod) and loshon hora on these sites. there must be a better way.
may hashem bless all those who are sincere and heal those who were hurt

July 15, 2006 11:53 PM  
Anonymous TO ABE said...


The point is not that the Rabbis receive exhorbitant salaries. They do not. The point is that they receive bribes, kick-backs, gifts, etc. The reason your Rabbi likely declined the money was to look good, and since he knows he has enough under the table cash coming in , why not look saintly too? If your Rabbi was as poor as he says he is he would not decline the money he is paid for performing legitimate Rabbi functions.

July 16, 2006 9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Abe Said:
"just running him out of town" when you yourself never did anything? if the story is true, it is more likely that the rabbi didn't have enough evidence to do anything more. besides, if brad confided in the rabbi, the rabbi could have been sued big time for violating the clergy confidence. let's stop criticizing everyone we can get a hold of and just concentrate on what we can do.

First off I want to make you realize that the way things work in Baltimore and in many communities like Baltimore is that from a very early age you are taught NOT to go to the police when crimes occur, especially when the criminal is also a Jew. Instead you are taught to go to your "rav".

I have NEVER met a single rabbi who has been trained to collect forensic evidence or how to conduct a victim sensitive interview. Needless to say many errors have been made, and survivors of sex crimes (and other crimes) have been left carrying the burden that their offender got off scott free.

When a rabbi chases a sex offender (or any other criminal) out of town he feels that the problem has been solved. The rabbi is absolutely WRONG. The problem just continues somewhere else, and the sex offender most likely will leave a string of victims where ever he or she goes.

I'm sure this is what happened in the case of Brad.

I'm amazed that the survivor of Brad had the courage to tell his or her story her on the blog. I also wonder how many people the survivor went to for help over the years and no one did anything?

If this happened in Maryland the survivor can still file a criminal report against him. There is no statue of limitations on sex crimes against children. Civil suits are differenct, yet at least a criminal report is still an option.

I also wonder if the survivor found a good attorney and if the offense didn't happen too long ago if he or she could still file a civil suit against not only the alleged offender (Brad), but also the rabbi or institution that did nothing. When I say nothing I mean making a hot-line report.

I personally believe that those who cover up these kinds of offenses are almost as guilty as those who did the offense.

July 16, 2006 9:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Abe Said:
"the rabbi could have been sued big time for violating the clergy confidence."

Actually in Judaism there is NO such thing as "violating the clergy confidence."

That's a huge falsehood that we all believe. I read that on a brochure from The Awareness Center. It's on the second page of the pamphlet.

July 16, 2006 9:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Abe, you obviously mean well, but also obviously have little to no understanding or education of the issues involved. I suggest you read Trauma and Recovery, by Judith Herman, to educate yourself. You were "attacked'" for your defence of Eisgrau and your attack on his daughter because your 'logic' doesn't make sense.
I too lived in Balto for many years and I know The Eisgrau family well. (By the way, they have twelve children...not nine or ten.) R' Eisgrau has done a lot of good for people in the community but that doesn't 'prove' anything. Boruch Lanner (convicted molester) did so much good for so many years that the Rabbi's chose to look the other way because the good outweighed the bad in their minds. I know that R' Eisgrau has serious emotional issues that he does not deal with. Eisgrau's daughter is the only one in this family who HAS dealt with her issues and as a result is quite normal. She has taken the fallout for the problems in this family and is labeled a 'mental patient' by people like you, because she chose to help herself. If you really cared to find out the truth you could contact her yourself. She is a wife, mother, and involved member of her community. She is an outspoken supporter of survivors, of which I am one. She has tried to have contact with her parents and siblings to introduce them to their grandchildren, whom they have never met, but they refuse to have anything to do with her. As a parent and grandparent I can not imagine disowning my child and grandchildren they way the Eisgraus have done no matter what my child may believe about me. There is something very very wrong here...

July 16, 2006 10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Savannah, there are three congragations,reform,conser,orthx.
the lowest paid rabbi is paid $125,000.00 + , and that's the lowest. In little savannah, where there are no more then a few thousand Jews and the PLUS is a big
PLUS. Some get housing allowance and some get the house.not a modest house either. They all make money.The kollel rabbi's make 40.000.00 grand plus houses or a housing allowence plus other expenses. The orthx shul was always
having events to raise money because they said they never had enough.many of these functions juravel had a hand in.that's one of the reasons no one wanted to really see this guy for what he was..he brought in money, gained everyone's trust, (except a few)
and could do no wrong until he caught himself with his controlling
attitude;he slipped up big time.
The rabbi's here do no wrong and certainly ,at least the head rabbi's make alot of $$$. Seems like it's the name of the game. I guess it seems like a small amount when the big shots are worth millions.That's in Savannah.If the little rabbi's don't live up to the expectations of the few big shots that call the shots, there out and new ones come in to take their places. A revolving door policy if they don't KA to a few elite families. The whole thing makes one sick; is spoken about all the time but you know what,there isn't anything one can do about it. The rabbi and the group are in control and guys like Juravel,who raised money think there in control as well. And how many "tickets" would you like to buy OR I sold more tickets than anyone.Just mention my name at the next event,that's all I want. Sick !By the way, the orthx cut back with there "fund raisers" in the spring as word got back that people were saying enough is enough. At least the "executive board" listened,for once.

July 16, 2006 12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anyone that thinks "kickbacks" and bribes to rabbis is what makes any community tick is truly delusional, unaware of what's real and what's not. That's not. You are a fool if you believe this naively. None of the rabbis I know is bribed to look the other way in cases of this sort. Individuals who do not go to the police are to blame, not the rabbis, not anybody but you, meaning anyone who doesn't take responsibility. I never heard of this brad case before. Who did?

With or without pretenses of avoiding "mesirah," the fact is that people talk. If someone is a ganev, bad news, an embaressment to the community, secrets spill and nobody wants to be dirtied by other people's filth. If your conspiracy theories were correct, we'd be hearing about more cases. Where are they? Shall we make them up? This case, the one here, is alone responsible for the trial he will soon take part in and justice will be served. Hatred of rabbis, in Jewish terms, is Jewish self hatred.

July 16, 2006 2:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder why you feel the need to gloat over this tragic situation with Juravel and why you feel such a great need to further humiliate his family.

I understand why the community must be alerted to ongoing dangers and understand why ongoing issues should not be covered up, but see no value in publcizing this particular situation any further.

July 16, 2006 4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Juravel incident hasn't been put to rest as yet. When this person is tried, convicted and sentenced, perhaps then it will be put to rest.

July 16, 2006 4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guy who described the situation with rabbonim is Savannah hit it 100% accurately. His description of what keeps a rabbi who is affiliiated with the orthodox shul in employment in Savannah is without error.
There are 3 long-lived rabbis in the Orthodox community. The rabbi of the shul, who will remain in office until he retires. The rabbi who heads the "Hebrew Community School" and is for all practical purposes, the asst. rabbi. And a rabbi who has taught in the Day School for years.

12 years ago the rabbi was paid $70K plus housing allowance and tuition for his kids at the Day School.
I know, I was at the congregational meeting where his contract was extended and the salary was announced.

The other 2 rabbis mentioned are both lovely people. The one-tows the line, lains, and probably doesn't have an enemy in the world.

The other at the day school-ditto. He has been there forever, has married off several daughters and is beloved because he is such a sweet likeable guy. Both are excellent teachers.

The revolving door goes back at least 15 years. Youth Directors have come and gone- The pay was minimal but the work wasn't too demanding either. Just tow the line, bow to the rabbi and to the baalei battim.
Take too much initiative, be too creative or do outreach beyond the BBJ membership list, and Goodbye.

I actually heard, several years ago, that a youth director candidate was almost not considered because he wore a wedding ring on Shabbos (before the Savannah eruv).Talk about petty!!

Ditto the Kollel.

I have heard that Torah Umesorah would send people to Savannah in order to placate the layleadership so they could get donations.

Re:Juravel-He fit in perfectly because he was such a good fundraiser. Period, end of story.

In Savannah, money rules, period,end of story.

July 16, 2006 5:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

btw, how many tickets didn't you buy?

You are a victim of envy, as guilty of materialism as the ones you criticize. You should be working harder to make more money if resentment builds in you. The good Juravel did, whether he did it for the right reasons or the wrong reasons isn't for you to judge; whatever is good, is good. You don't like the kollel, start your own. Move away. Start your own shul. Having to deal with petty people like you makes becoming involved less enticing. Stop talking so much about all your resentments, all the petty humiliations, your perceived lack of power and prestige and do something. Otherwise, you're just another naysaying idiot.

July 16, 2006 6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are ten pages of Juravel Blogs. If your not interested,why are you responding on page ten. Don't bother to even open the blog.
No one is glouting about Juravel, however we are all happy that this pervert has been caught.
We all hope that he receives due punishment and is taken away from society for a long time. When that happens, I won't be glouting; I will be celebrating !

July 16, 2006 8:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see the poster as "a victim of envy". I think they tell it like it is.
I don't see anything negative said about the rabbi's salary,just the way it is.I don't see anythng negative about the kollel,just the way it is and about Juravel,just the way it was. Juravel "did good" to attain entry to the community,gain trust and then molest the children. I bellieve that the evil overwelmed the good.
Same with Hitler. He introduced the autobaun, increased employment,gave the people the VW but his evil far outweighed the "good".
We would have preferred less fund raising from Schmuel and no child molestation. The Shul made it for over 150 years without Juravel and will continue to make it without him in the future.
I believe the poster was just posting the facts and he/she and other people in the community see it but are afraid to come forth,except on a no name blog.

July 17, 2006 4:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in Savannah. I am a member of the BBJ Synagogue. I know Shmuel. I know most of the people this monster has lied to and devastated. I feel fortunate that my own children were not touched by him. I have followed these blogs since day 1. However, day after day I read these comments and find it hard to believe that putting down a community of people in Savannah, criticizing the Rabbi's, pointing fingers at the leaders who guide this community to a better place, and counting people's money can in any way help a victim of molestation. Can someone please tell me how name calling, personal assaults, and down right rudeness can be beneficial to someone who has been abused or is close to someone who has been a victim? First, it was continued insults to Shmuel's in-laws and that family. Then it became about our Synagogue. Then it was about our community. Now, out of no where, bloggers are attacking 3 very well-respected Rabbi's and the amount of money they make.(not sure how they know this anyway!) First off, I have been in all of these homes. Have you? It does not look like two of these three are living the life of the Rich and Famous. These are hard-working and committed teacher's who have given to most of our children in a way NO ONE else ever will. SHMUEL JURAVEL is a piece of dirt. SHMUEL JURAVEL is in prison. SHMUEL JURAVEL is the topic of this blog. If you feel the need to constantly address the issues of a Rabbi's salary here in Savannah, you are making no sense. What is the oddest thing to me is that there are SAVANNAH people writing some of this stuff. Why? What do you gain by continuing this web of nonsense? It just makes no sense and cannot be helpful to a victim in any way. Stop the madness now. Focus on the issues. Let's try and continue the efforts in preventing other people from doing what SHMUEL JURAVEL did. Talking about how much money a RAbbi makes just doesn't seem like a reasonable solution. For those of you who will come back at me with your reasons please consider what you are really saying before you hit that submit button. We are JEWS. WE are the CHOSEN people. WE MUST stick together and quit putting the innocent down. This blog is about the guilty and protecting those whose lives were devastated by these monsters.

July 17, 2006 8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess you could say that I am one of those people who does not get the honor and recognition at BB Jacob.

However, I also don't contribute large amounts of time or money to keeping the shule running.

I do however demand a lot from it.

I expect it to be open when I need a minyan.

I expect there to be a knowledgable, experienced, and compassionate Rav who can not only answer questions but help families through very tough situations.

I expect there to be Rabbis to teach me and my kids so we can learn.

I expect an atmosphere where dressing modestly, keeping Shabbos, and keeping kosher is praised.

I also expect there to be Rabbis to supervise for Kosher.

If, heaven forbid, someone in the family dies, I expect our loved ones to be lovingly and respectfully washed, dressed, and buried per the same Jewish traditions followed for over 3,300 years.

At the same time, I struggle due to high tuition costs for the Day School and high dues for the Shule.

Thankfully, there are those willing and able to give substantial sums of time and money. Due to their efforts, all of my expectations are met. My high costs are even a fraction of what they would be otherwise. (If you don't believe me, compare the tuition costs and dues with similar institutions in other cities.)

Is BB Jacob perfect, NO. Do I believe that those who donate so much of their time and money may get a disproportionate share of the honors, perhaps.

However, at the same time, all of my expectations are met. The greater threat to my expectations being met is not showing extra honor for some people. It is negative talk that tears away at the foundations of what my family depends on every day.

SJ committed several bad acts. Victims include the ones he abused, people he stole from, BB Jacob, etc. This blame and abuse the victim process makes it worse.

When SJ was caught, the Rav in Savannah got up from the Bima and told the entire congregation that we should be thankful that we have been protected. He said we had all be fooled and hurt.

The Day School, JEA, and Jewish Family Services have sponsored several programs to teach how to handle these questions. The Rav attended and sat in the audience to learn with everyone else.

In hindsight, a lot of us wish things would have been handled differently.

However, some of you are using this as an opportunity to say all you can to hurt the Shule and community.

Perhaps SJ had a compulsion. He needs to be locked up to protect us.

You however, with your constant Loshen Hora against the shule are evil because you are making a purposeful decisiton to do this.

I hope you will rethink your use of this and perform Teshuvah and ask all of us for forgiveness.

P.S. I am not on the board of BB Jacob and never have been. I am not one of the big donors of time and money and never have been. You have hurt me and my family terribly.

The big donors still have a lot of money. They can still donate a lot of time. They are not the ones being hurt.

You are hurting those of us who are innocent.

July 17, 2006 8:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't buy any tickets. I got sick and tired of being intimated to buy tickets. The person selling would go right up to you and put the tickets in your pocket and tell you to send the money. A ordox mafia. Well this last year,I said no..and you know what,the person hasn't spoken to me sinse I said no. And you know what else, I really don't care.
I'll make my donations but simply won't buy tickets for this persons glory. So many people feel that way but just don't stand up to the "head ticket seller".

July 17, 2006 8:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that people in Savannah just can't read. NOWHERE in the post about the BBJ shul are any of the rabbis attacked. In fact, they are praised.
As for THE RABBI-He has been incredibly successful in shaping the community and the layleadership. He is one of the few rabbis in the US Rabbinate who undoubtedly has job security. Hmmmm... Savannahians, I guess that means HE MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!
He is worth every cent he is paid.

As for the other 2 rabbis mentioned, I believe they were both praised as "lovely people" and no mention was made of their salaries or compensation. I believe that both rabbis were called excellent educators.

If anything, Savannah is notorious for UNDERPAYING their rabbis.

But the community compensates them in all different types of ways, such as with gratis medical care from the many medical professionals within the community, loans, OUTRIGHT GIFTS and very, very cheap rent in the homes that are owned by the synagogue.

But what about the other rabbis? The Rosh Kollels? The Youth directors? The Day School Principals?

Why are there some many other people in Jewish education and the rabbinate who list "BBJ" on their resumes and invariably, the stories are that they were "used up"?

Who makes the hiring/firing decisions? People like you who pay dues and make a living but aren't the "big donors"?

And think about this...look at the "hall of presidents". How many of them in the last 20 years were "struggling"?

Face it, be it Savannah or anywhere talks and money givers control.

A smart rabbi, such as the one in Savannah, will know how to ally himselves with these people for the betterment of the community and the shul.

Be thankful Savannah, without the rabbi you would be as successful as the former Jewish communities in Vidalia and Augusta.

You'd be a big empty shul.

So you all got fooled. Wahh Wahh Wahh.

Get over it and get on with life and stop trying to be this idyllic place where money doesn't matter and life is all "Forrest Gumpy".

You've been indelibly touched by the mark of sexual abuse in your community. YOur days of innocence are over. Now get along and grow the heck up.

July 17, 2006 11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to address the last outrageous comments.

1) The Shule in Vidalia still has services on Friday nights. The shule there is not dead. It may be small, but there are some dedicated people working hard to keep it alive. Regardless, there is no excuse for saying anything negative about them.

2) The community of Savannah has not been indelibly touched by sexual abuse.

Victims are not ruined because of the sexual abuse. The violator is the evil one. The way the abuse is dealt with may determine if the individual will be stronger or weaker.

Your attitude is why victims and their families don't come forward. Someone like you will forever mark them with shame. You are wrong.

3) I agree with you that we have a very smart Rav in Savannah and are very blessed.

4) Over the years, many Rabbis have worked in Savannah and been able to hone their skills. A community where a Rabbi works with a variety of people provides a good training ground. We know that a small community such as Savannah does not provide the opportunities for advancement.

When the Rabbis have reached their maximum potential in Savannah or their kids were ready for more school than Savannah offered, they moved.

There are Rabbis all over the U.S., Canada, and Israel who were in Savannah and fondly remember those times. They have continued to keep close ties to life long friends in Savannah.

SJ perpretrated terrible acts. People are now speaking painful words about Augusta and Vidalia. Why do his actions in Savannah and Baltimore provide an excuse to say bad things about those cities.

It is clear that some want to say bad things. Any excuse seems justified to them. This makes people hide. I think those who just want to say negative things are as or more destructive than SJ. Because you create the environment that makes it possible for him to do it again.

July 17, 2006 3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person who wrote "So you all got fooled. Wahh Wahh Wahh." you are a sad and lonely person and need professional help. You are gross and bitter and need to come up with your own blog called "Poor Me!" THIS IS ABOUT SHMUEL NOT YOU! THIS IS ABOUT SURVIVORS NOT YOU! SHUT UP ALREADY!

July 17, 2006 5:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is clear that some people write things just to see their comments posted.

In the following paragraph by the last poster-"It is clear that some want to say bad things. Any excuse seems justified to them. This makes people hide. I think those who just want to say negative things are as or more destructive than SJ. Because you create the environment that makes it possible for him to do it again."-, I read a bunch of gibberoish, a pathetic argument that makes no sense.

July 17, 2006 5:50 PM  
Anonymous TO BOBBY ISAACSON said...


When I first read your letter to the community, I decided that I disagree with your position, but I respect you as a person. So, my reaction was if you feel like visiting Shmuel then that is your business. However, new facts have come to light and NOW I AM EXTREMELY OFFENDED BY YOUR ACTIONS.

I know for a FACT that you have been soliciting people in Savannah for money on Shmuel's behalf. I find this dispicable. Any money raised with regard do this horrific incident should go to the victims and further education.

Your post was misleading. You stated "For the record, I am not paying for Shmuel's defense." No, you are not! You are asking other people to pay for Shmuel's defense. Have you lost your mind? I have no doubt that you would have a different take on this entire situation if your own children were personally affected.

I agree with you that Shmuel deserves a defense. If he has no money to pay for a defense than he will still receive an attorney. When Shmuel was read his Miranda rights he heard "If you cannot afford an attorney one will be provided for you." This is the only attorney that Shmuel should be provided. You should not be asking the community to pay for Shmuel or his attorney. If you think about it- we already are. Our tax dollars pay for Shmuel's court appointed attorney.

Bobby, think about what you are doing. Many were offended by your support for Shmuel, but asking us to help him with money- Are you serious? Do you realize that you are trying to help a person that molested your daughters' friends? Now you are asking other to help?

Money for Shmuel=Money against our children.

July 17, 2006 6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just in case anyone has not seen SJ's booking photo, you can see it at:

July 17, 2006 7:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with the abouve post. Bobby, what are you doing ?
Shmuel lied to you as he lied to this community. He molested the boys that you have had in your home,your daughter's friends. You call this person a friend.
Bobby, would you defend a person that (G-D forbid) molested any of your daughters or your wife.
How can you possibly ask this community for money for Juravels defense. How can you even sit accross a table from this pervert,knowing what he has done.
Bobby,what are you doing ?

July 17, 2006 7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My G-D, Bobby, how friendly are you with Juravel ? Relaize what he's in jail for,CHILD MOLESTATION.
Bobby,rethink your position,please.

July 17, 2006 7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why in the world would you put his mug shot on this site? Tacky!

July 17, 2006 8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why shouldn't his mugshot be posted on this site? You are Nutty!

July 17, 2006 9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juravel always wanted to be famous, now he's found himself infamous.

July 17, 2006 9:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think his mug shot being posted is tacky. I think it should be posted. If Juravel hadn't been caught breaking the law
,molesting children,he wouldn't have a mug shot to begin with. Post this perverts picture all over the place. Let people know what he looks like, so that if he ever gets out,people can run from him.

July 18, 2006 4:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobby won't "rethink his position" regarding Juravel. Usually men don't change their minds. Wouldn't be macho. He continues to believe that Schmuel is his friend when all Juravel wants to do us use him.
It would be to embassassing for Bobby to admit that he was wrong and withdraw his support for Jurravel.As another poster said, Bobby can visit him in prison for the next several years, and continue his friendship with him.

July 18, 2006 6:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Visit him-Fine. But, to go out a fund-raise for him the way Rabbis raise money for Yeshivas?- This just seems a little bit off.

July 18, 2006 8:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are the alleged donations that Bobby is soliciting subject to tax.
If the money goes to juravel,does that count as income. Will juravel declare it. Or if the checks are made out to Bobby, does that count as income ? Is Bobby deducting the travel expense to see his good friend in prison as a business expense or a "visiting a pervert expense". Perhaps the IRS will be interested in juravel's returns sinse some of the money that he made and things he purchased were unauthorized "business expense".
Was juravel planning to deduct the cost of the plane,car rental,motel room,on taxes as business expense.
Child business I suppose ; and how about the other out of town trips he's taken,also business or monkey business.

July 18, 2006 9:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juravel mugshot link does not work. I searched the Jefferson County public listing of inmates and he does not appear there either.

July 18, 2006 10:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is a very good question.

you would think victims would want to out themselves for the world to see... and then march in the parade; and that people who voice opinions which are unpopular would want everyone to know, or that professionals in responsible positions whose co-workers wouldn't approve of their posting during work hours would be proud of them for their blog posting, or

July 18, 2006 2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason I post anonymously is because I do not want to be personally attacked for my thoughts and opinions.
People become very emotional about these issues. I am also a survivor and have been through hell because of others denial and wish to shut me up.

July 18, 2006 2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I am proud that I survived, yet I see the way that Baltimore treats its survivors.

I've been reading up on Mordecai Tendler and also the one with Mordecai Gafni. I think that's enough evidence in it self why I guard my identity.

July 18, 2006 3:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many times have we all seen posters going up about various people in our community?

Do the people who post them sign their names?

The answer is NO!

July 18, 2006 3:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe that Mr. Isaacson is trying to raise money for Shmuel's defense, I simply can't believe it.
How does the poster that wrote that,know that ?
Surely Mr. Isaacson has better sense then that , although in todays world, I'm not sure who has sense and who doesn't.
Mr. Isaacson,please say it isn't so. Only you have the facts. Please tell the community just what's true and not true. If it isn't true,thank G-D ; if it is true,Why ?

July 18, 2006 3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Jewish Survivors of Sexual Violence:
I don't know your name or names,I just see a post with the above heading, isn't that sort of annonymous ?
Why not list yur name ?

July 18, 2006 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this blogsite anonymous?

July 18, 2006 4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobby, are you in fact trying to raise money for juravel's defense ?

If so, why not raise money for the victims defense and paying for their atty's as well. Why defend juravel,who has violated our children and this community.
Why ?

July 18, 2006 7:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not expect Bobby to post whether or not he is raising money for Juravel. However, I know for a fact that he is doing so. He solicited a particular individual for money and that person told me about it-they said they wanted to VOMIT when asked.

July 18, 2006 9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you mean , "Why"? He told why he is doing it- because he decided to support shmuel and he thinks that he is still a good guy despite his evil actions.

July 18, 2006 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's beyond my understanding how Bobby can remain friends with shmuel let alone trying to raise money for the pervert.
When Shmuel is conviced, Bobby can visit him every weekend in prison.
Keep the friendship going.
I'm with the friend..the whole thing makes me want to vomit.

July 18, 2006 9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please consider re-thinking your position regarding Juravel.
Please realize the crimes that he's accused of. Think of the young boys that he has encountered,
even his suggestion to these boys to have relations with him has damanged these boys and their families.
Bobby, please re-think your position about raising money on his behalf.
Thank G-D that he didn't molest any of your children and think of the local children that he did touch.
Bobby, if you want to remain Juravel's friend, fine but don't try to defend his actions of raise money for his defense. To what avail ? He's a child molester.
Distance yourself from this evil person and let justice take it's course. Don't put your good name
on the line for this child molester. Your to nice of a person to do so. It simply doesn't make any sense to do so.

July 18, 2006 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't sleep this night so I decided to read the threads.
I'm shocked that Bobby Isaacson is
raising money for shmuel juravel's defense. I'm not sure I believe it.
It simply doesn't make any sense what-so-ever to defend a child molester. I read Isaacson's explination that juravel is his friend but the guy did molest several children in the community aside being caught cold by the FBI and Postal Authorities. Why in the world would a person go to the defense of a child molester and then try and raise money for him. It's insane, just not straight thinking. It must be a big mistake.

July 19, 2006 1:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know Bobby , his wife and kids, a great family. Bobby's a truly nice person. I can understand his
friendship with Shmuel & Janie. O.K. they are friends BUT after what Shmuel did, not just to children but to his wife and his own children, to the community,to other friends and relatives, I truly believe that it brings more hurt to Janie, no matter what she says, to assist Shmuel in a defense. There simply is no defense. Any financial assistance should go to the victims and their famlies to assist with their atty's expense,and the professional treatment that they must undergo;not a penny to aid Shmuel.
I just don't agree with Bobby on this ,at all. As another poster wrote,Distance yourself from an evil person and Shmuel is evil personified.

July 19, 2006 9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

juravel is facing a harsh judgement. If you are secure in the justice of the case and your cause, you won't be threatened by his getting a fair trial.

He may have been dishonest and worse, but he is a first time (officially caught) offender and you want your boys to have the same rights and privileges as you enjoy. No? We know the answer: no.

July 19, 2006 3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First time blogger, long time reader:

Everyone here should exchange email addresses or phone numbers and get together for a face to face meeting with each other unless everyone is to embarrassed to face everyone else and express their opinions openly. (Aahh the glorious anonymity of the internet-myself included as the anonymous post reveals :-). )

Loshon hora and motzai shem ra aside, nobody should be guessing or surmising what may or may not be happening. If you want to talk to Mr. Isaacson, call him yourself. (I'm sure his phone number is out there.) Alternatively, write him a letter using a stamp and envelope, in much the same way people write their senators and congressmen.

I too hail from Savannah, and I am appalled at what is posted both from Savannah and other cities. What relevance does all of this have?

So people didn't properly educate their children about good touch-bad-touch and as a result they only have themselves to blame. As a natural reaction they tend to vent instead of assuming responsibility for their inaction. From a young age I was tought about proper touching and would like to think that I would have responded appropriately.

But people, get over it. Yeah there is some shock that it could happen in the frum community and there is some shock that it could happen in a city like Savannah. But until it affects you, this is one of those things that you think will never happen to you. (Perhaps a poor analogy, but 9-11 woke Americans up to the fact that terrorism can come to this country as well.)

Look, it is inevitable that their will be pages of posts following this one, but the point is that people who are guilty of such actions and crimes have problems. Are we, as a society, and we, as individuals (you can't just assume others will do it) going to deal with such issues and speak to our children in the same way we speak to them (hopefully) about the dangers of drugs? Are we (still referring to society and individuals) going to assist these people who are being accused of such actions/crimes in getting help to address their problems? (Something like AA for alcholohics is a good comparison, I think.) Its really a kind of sickness that needs medication (not necessarily in a physical sense though).

So now I ask, what are YOU going to do about it? I have heard of a few meetings and lectures adressing this in Savannah, but how can YOU publicize the need to educate other communities that such people exist within even religious communities? (In doing so, one should make sure not to bring up examples and names of indivuals to avoid all questions of loshon hora. )

Don't say "but its too touchy of a subject for kids", yada yada NO! Grow up! Kids will listen if you present them with such material in a proper and mature manner. If you don't want them to hear about it from either reading blogs like this, the newspapers, or their friends who might be exposed to more liberal forms of communication than your children, talk to them! Cut your whining and parent.

Thats really what it comes down to. Proper parenting and family relationships. None of this- Thats right, NONE of this would have started if that were done properly. And if you thought it was, see a rabbi, psychologist, or other mentor to address the issue. If not it will inevitably come back to haunt you.

We should all grow in a positive way from such experiences and seek to eliminate the sinas chinam from klall yisrael especially as we enter the time of year marking the destruction of our Temple which was brought about by such behavior.

July 19, 2006 3:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well said, anonymous, responsible, intelligent parent. Well spoken.

The whiners, the babies who cannot spell or sleep, are naive to think that they were merely hoodwinked. Good parents HAVE taught their children to be open about good touch/bad touch and to yell bloody murder if they encounter bad.

The tragedy is that sj wasn't severely disciplined/dealt with responsibly when his problem first appeared. Had he received help, had there been more than merely rumors, this sad story would not be where it now is. If insular communities want to avoid scandals like these, they'd better take action and take seriously the warnings of the fbi. These crimes will be prosecuted and dealt with harshly. Until that is the word on the street in every yeshiva, shul etc. we're back where we started and others are at risk. The only real way to prevent abuse is to prosecute. There should be no excuses that "I didn't know." And this applies to the enablers who cover up for them too.

July 19, 2006 4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure what those last posts were about. Stop throwing this blog off course so you can hear yourself babble. Also, as I stated before, Bobby is raising money for Shmuel and that is a FACT. The money might be for his defense or it might be to get him better kosher food, who knows? Do not tell everyone that we should write and call Bobby to confirm. Bobby is raising the money and if you doubt it, call and write him and ask him to tell you that he is not doing so. I assure you he is raising the money and there is no way for him to deny it because he has asked others to help and they know that they were solicited.

July 19, 2006 9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think if any funds are raised by Bobby, he should be donating it to the survivors of Juravel to help them pay for their therapy and also for all the pain and suffering because of his criminal actions against them.

I think that's a wiser use of the funds then being concerned that Juravel has good kosher food.

I wonder if any of his survivors ever went a day without eating because of their inability to cope after being victimized by him.

My bet is that The Awareness Center or Sidran would set up a fund for that purpose, and then at least people could get a tax right off.

July 19, 2006 10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people feel sorry for the underdog. Until the extent of the victims suffering is known, in the absence of same, despite the public outcry, there are some who will feel sorry for him despite the terrible wrongs he has done. They see his obsession as a mental disorder.

How many victims of juravel are able to say they could not eat because of what he did? What did he actually do other than what he has been charged with and the testimony that he placed his hands inappropriately during bar mitzvah lessons? For him to have credibility as public enemy number one, his crimes must be proven. Until then, under the law of the land, he is still considered innocent. Is he innocent? hardly. Are survivors of whatever he's done justified denying him kosher food if the jail he's in doesn't provide it? I don't know if they do or don't, but if they don't, I venture to say some Orthodox Jews would be supportive despite the evil he is accused of doing. Others would say he isn't kosher, but if he wants to be, is it a mitzvah to be complicit in making him eating non kosher? Any rabbis care to answer?

July 19, 2006 10:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again everyone seems to care more about someone who victimized others, then those who have to live every day with the memories of being sexually abused?

Bobby, do you care that some of Juravel survivors might have or currently are suicidal?

Bobby do you care if maybe some of his survivors did anything possible to numb the pain because of having flashbacks? Maybe using drugs and or alcohol, or maybe also might have developed a sex addiction? I wonder if any of Shmuel's victims turned into offenders themselves?

Bobby, have you ever thought about reaching out to the survivors in Baltimore? Ever bother asking them what you could do to help them heal?

Bobby, did you ever make sure that those who were sexually victimized by Shmuel had enough to eat? Are they able to function in the world? Do they need help making it through each day?

I'm sure the federal prision is required by law to insure his religous dietary needs are met. The food may not be the best, yet he won't starve.

The survivors are not so lucky, they are out here on their own, they have been shamed and blamed for many years. They have to live the rest of their lives with the stigma that goes along with being a survivor of sexual violence.

July 19, 2006 11:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's going on ? Now we're concerned if poor shmulie has kosher meals. Please !!!
It didn't matter to shmulie if the boys that he had were kosher or not,food was food.
The Fed's will provide him with kosher meals, although do you really think that it matters to this person. Fed food is good enough.
And please everyone, not a penny for this perverts defense.
.Bobby,have you lost your mind ?

July 20, 2006 3:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now let's not go around calling people names. Shmueli isn't a pervert, he's a sex offender. Let's use the proper terms. (grin)

July 20, 2006 7:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if survivors have turned into alcoholics, there may be other excuses for their excess.

If I were bobby, I'd ignore you. the rest of the world is.

July 20, 2006 8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

per-vert: lead astray,corrupt.
2. to misuse distort 4. to debase. n. one practicing sexual perversion.

per-ver-sion: 1.perverting or being perverted 2. something perverted 3.any sexual act or practice considered abnormal.

Juravel is far more and far worse then just a sex offender; he is a sex pervert,as per the above definition.He happens to molest little boys. That come under the definition of perversion.

Evil personified. How can any one who has children even want to defend a pervert of this kind ?

Would Bobby defend juravel if he had gone after young girls, say the same age as Bobby's children.
Would he be so ready to be shmuel's friend, raising money for his defense. Perhaps the way Bobby's mind is working, he would.
That's a shame.

Juravel seems to have worked his magic on Bobby, perverting his mind over common sense.

July 20, 2006 8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well the rest of the world might ignore the person or persons posting about Bobby helping Juravel,but I can assure you that the Jewish Community is not ignoring it.
Most people are appaled at the idea that Bobby is raising money for Juravel. I hear it every day.
The overall majority opinion is that there must be something more to the relationship between juravel and bobby. The community is shocked at Bobby'sd actions.
I don't think the post have been ignored at all.

July 20, 2006 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the last post.
In my profession, I see people every day and the overwelming majority think that Bobby is way off base on this one.
All say that he's a great guy, lovely family BUT are incensed that he's doing what he's doing and the position he's taken regarding Juravel.
I'm sure that knowing this only reinforces Bobby's stance, as no one wants to admit to a mistake,but he's made a mistake on this one.

July 21, 2006 12:40 AM  
Anonymous Voice of Reason said...

We can all go on and on about Bobby, yet we are all forgetting about one thing. What can we do to help Shmuel's victims from the past?

What can we do when we see a younger version of Shmuel? Can we prevent someone from becoming a sex offender?

How can we make both Savannah and Baltimore safer places for kids?

Again we can go on and on about Bobby, and talk about how bad Shmuel is, yet nothing will change unless we change it.

July 21, 2006 7:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe these posts referencing Shmuel and Bobby serve a purpose,that being to let the other perverts know that we are aware and don't mess around with our children.
We're all looking to see justice served when Juravel is convicted and we're all looking to stop the defenders of any child molester,including Bobby, from raising money for a molesters defense or assisting the offenders
to see that they receive a lighter sentance.
Bobby is way off base on this one,friend or no friend.To even begin to raise money for Shmuel is way out of the relm of normal thinking,and many people want to sent that very message.
We are parents will never be fooled again by the likes of Shmuel Juravel and we as parents simply can't understand how another parent,such as Isaacson can offer a defense and money to assist Juravel.

July 21, 2006 8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The owner of the blog thoughtfully asked why people post anonymously.

One anonymous poster wrote "How many times have we all seen posters going up about various people in our community?

Do the people who post them sign their names?

The answer is NO!."

There seems to be those who just attack. Some of us who post anonymously don't want ourselves, our families, etc. to be victims of these attacks.

On anonymous poster wrote ""The survivors are not so lucky, they are out here on their own, they have been shamed and blamed for many years. They have to live the rest of their lives with the stigma that goes along with being a survivor of sexual violence."

It is clear that some believe that the victim has done something wrong or shameful.

The combination of these makes it very hard to want to post. No one wants to be attacked or marked with shame.

However, as I have said before, the attacks and attitude of shaming the victim makes it harder for a victim to come forward.

One poster wrote "he reason I post anonymously is because I do not want to be personally attacked for my thoughts and opinions.
People become very emotional about these issues. I am also a survivor and have been through hell because of others denial and wish to shut me up."

This is the real problem. A victim who is afraid to come forward. A victim who feels he will be shamed and or attacked. Since others of us are afraid to sign our postings, we understand.

For the victim, please know that you can come forward to the FBI and they will shield your identity. If you are in Savannah, the Savannah Chatham Metropolitan Police, the Chatham County District Attorney's office and U.S. Attorney will do likewise. they will protect your identity so you will not be attacked.

Please come forward to them and your identity will be protected. However, at the same time you can help make sure SJ can't do it again to any one else.

To those of you who attack and think the victims of sexual abuse are shamed. You are the enablers. Without you, it would be easier to prosecute the perverts and put them behind bars for the rest of their lives.

To the victims. Survival is a victory. Don't be ashamed. Don't be embarressed. You can continue to be successful and grow.

July 21, 2006 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't agree with the last post. I think that by bringing attention to shmuel and to the people that have chosen to defend / protect a child molester sends a message to the people that we will not tolorate any person that violates our children,either the molester or his/her friend that defends them.

July 21, 2006 4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pleased that we all go on and on about Shmuel and HIS DEFENDERS.
That's all part of making this community and all community's aware of the pervert's and their defenders.
Continue to write your objections to the role that Bobby Isaacson is playing in this mess. Raising money and helping to defend the pervert Juravel.
Bobby Isaacson has lost his sense of balance on the Juravel issue. I feel sorry for him and his misguided way.

July 22, 2006 11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the last post.
If we keep posting about juravel and the likes of people that have sympathy for child molesters,it will bring attention and pressure on those people.
The vast majority of the Savannah community certainly does not go along with what Mr. Issaacson is doing. I'm truly sorry that he's putting his wife and family throough stree because of his ill thoughts regarding his "friend" Juravel. Sort of a warped friendship,but you never know what
"friendship" means.

July 22, 2006 6:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of people resent the stand that Bobby has tyaken regarding Juravel BUT Have not said anything to him or his family. They have just kept quite about it especially when they see any of the family . No one wants to offend the family but certainly don't agrtee with him. In fact, many think he's lost his mind .

July 22, 2006 8:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought the main point was

Student Rabbi expelled for 'causing unrest' from the Toronto Star.

What if shmuel shows remorse and admits he isn't 100 percent? Will you call bobby names then? If so, who is the better person? You?

July 22, 2006 9:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mr isaacson should contact the ACLU for some assistance in attaining kosher meals and other forms of aid for mr. juravel.

July 22, 2006 10:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see anyone calling Bobby names on any of the posts. All I see is that he is helping a child molester, trying to get a lighter for him or whatever he's trying to do.
No name calling,just facts.
All that I've seen are posts indicating that the posters believe Bobby is off base on his defense of Juravel,being a parent and all that. That's an opinion I see expressed my several posters. No name calling,just that his position id wrong.

On another note, The Federal Prison System does supply kosher meals to the people that request them. What more is required or do they want.
Also,Shmuel is guaranteed an atty no matter what. So what's the problem ?
Had Shmuel not tried to molest children in the first place, he wouldn't need an atty. Simple as that. What does the ACLU have to do with this case. Juravel has atty's and kosher meals. He has access to visitors such as Isaacson. What more can be done for this person ; what more does he want ?

July 23, 2006 12:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's certainly being given more consideration then he gave his victims.

July 23, 2006 6:05 AM  
Anonymous The Guardian said...

It is not true that every FCI (Federal Correctional Institution) provides kosher meals for jewish inmates. Rather, they provide what is called "common fare"- a menu of food that can be eaten by anyone- jews,muslims, hindus, etc. It is made up of vegetables, fruits, etc and prepared in a seperate area.
As to whether an inmate can get kosher meals depends almost entirely on the relationship between the Warden of the facility and the Chaplain and the inmate.
The ALEPH institute will often provide meals IF the prison is willing.

Because Juravel is alleged to have committed a heinous crime is no reason for him to be deprived of his rights to kosher food.
Your objections about his victims not getting kosher food or him not being concerned about the "kashrut" of his victims is as warped as his alleged actions.
Certainly he should have kosher food and he is also entitled to the best attorney that money can buy.

July 23, 2006 7:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't speak for him, but if i were him, like me, I would want to be your friend and share id your splendid company in savannah, known for southern graciousness and kind and thoughtful hospitality. Thanks, y'all.

July 23, 2006 9:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What’s the matter with you people? You’re clowns. It’s unbalievable that you’re worring if Sam is eating kosher. Who cares? He’s about as orthadox Jew as the Pope. He’s a great actor. Didn’t any of you see him in shul? He never davened accept when called to run the service. You people are comedy writers.

Then there’s the Issaacson issue. I don’t know this guy and I sure don’t want to. I don’t associate with simpathisors of perverted child molestors…normal people with morals don’t. In my opinion, there has to be something more than a friendship at play here. Could it possibly be that like-minded people stick together? Issaacson, get help. There has to be something terribly, terribly wrong with you, too.

July 23, 2006 1:27 PM  
Anonymous WHERE IS YOUR MONEY GOING? said...


It has been brought to my attention that Bobby Isaacson is not the only one raising money for Shmuel. The SAVANNAH JEWISH FEDERATION has also been sending our money on Shmuel's behalf. THIS IS WRONG!!!!!!!!

We do not contribute money so it can be sent to Shmuel. Our money should not be used for a cause that we do not support. There is so much money that needs to be spent as a result of this incident. The ripple effect is enormous. We are sending money to the source of the problem?

Is the Federation going to pay for all of the psychiatric bills for the children that were molested???

WHO DECIDED THAT THIS WAS OKAY? I am VERY disappointed.$$$$$$$$

July 23, 2006 5:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one said that juravel was being deprived of kosher food. He's currently getting it.
As far a being his friend, alot of people in savannah befriended this person only to be deceived by him,telling us he was something that he was not. No,I don't want to be his friend,thank you.

July 23, 2006 6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it's true that the Federation is sending money to Juravel,it wouldn't surprise me. Fred Rabhan was a close friend of Juravel and Rabhan has a great deal of influence with the Federation. If it is true, The Federation has seen the last money that I will ever send. I hope it's not true.

And send money to Juravel for what ? Shaving cream,tooth paste,candy bars. And How much money are we talking about, hundreds,thousands,ten of thousands. Our donations going to Juravel ; say it isn't so.
Will someone from the federation respond with the truth or is that to much to ask ?

July 24, 2006 2:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There certainly must be some mistake. The SJF certainly isn't sending donated funds to Juravel,are they ? Can someone from the Federation confirm or denie this. Please say it isn't so.
We're all waiting for an answer from the Federation,please.

July 24, 2006 2:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What proof do you have that the Federation is donating money to Juravel ? How can this story be varified ? Who do we contact at the Federation to get the facts ?
I can't believe it !

July 24, 2006 7:41 AM  
Anonymous The Guardian said...

Here's my guess...
There are people who are sympathetic to Juravel in so far as they understand that he is sick, wanting him to get help rather than rot in a prison with no hope for treatment. EVEN Vicki Polin acknowledges that treatment programs are out there and can be effective with the correct and enforced follow-up.
Does Juravel have remorse over his actions? Not having talked to him or the psychologists who examined him, I don't know. And if you are one of those people who believe that people who commit crimes like Juravel are never remorseful, than why not advocate shutting down all the programs that are meant to help people who commit these crimes?

What is likely happening is that people want the tax deduction. So...they make a check out to the Federation who then writes a check out to Juravel or whomever.

This is done all the time. If the Federation has a line item for supporting charities (like Israel, etc-NOT TO COMPARE JURAVEL TO ISRAEL!) then that is probably what is happening.

Fred Rabhan is a good man, so I doubt the veracity of this entire story.

And as for the person who says that Juravel was far from orthodox, I cannot speak to that. I can tell you that in prison, when one has hit rock bottom-it is likely that one will reach out to one's religion.
Is that a bad thing?

Some of you are so full of anger that you are blinded to anything other than revenge. That's probably not very helpful for anyone, the survivors, the community and yourselves.

By the way, unless someone has proof that the Federation is sending money to Juravel, then this is just malicious gossip and should be stopped.

And the inference about Mr. Isaacson that "like minded people stick together" IS SIMPLY A HORRIBLE INFERENCE AND NOTHING BUT MALICIOUS INNUENDO. You discredit yourself, the survivors and everyone who advocates for survivors by spreading dirty innuendo about someone.
Why not call Mr. Isaacson and ask him his reasons?

Because then you might find out that you are wrong, and you probably couldn't deal with that.

July 24, 2006 9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The information that the Federation is involved is credible. However, I am not sure why someone posted about Fred Rabhan. Fred Rabhan is a good person and has nothing to do with the Federation except for the fact that he probably contributes money like you. The person to ask is Moises Paz. He is in charge of the Federation and he is the one who can verify that the Federation is sending funds. I would also like to add that I am fairly certain that he reads this blog and posts. Many of the posts in the past, some mentioning the JEA, sound like Moises.

July 24, 2006 12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calling Mr. Isaacson would only lead to what Mr. Isaacson wants you to believe or wants to tell you. Doesn't mean a thing.
As a parent, I personally find it wrong to support Juravel in any way. HE MOLESTED OUR CHILDREN.
There are programs out there to assist him. Let him find them and take part. Does not mean that I have to support him doing it.

Angry,you bet I am. He has directly hurt my family and friends. Why shouldn't I be angry?

Money from the Federation to assist juravel. If it's true,I'm angry about that as well. I have friends who are trying to send their children to Jewish Private Schools and have asked the Federation for assistance, only to be turned down, because they are preceived to make to much money for assistance. I'd like to see an accounting of the funds (our money) that the federation gives out and to whom. Not a penny of Federation (our) money should be given to Juravel.(Let's vote on it)

July 24, 2006 4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will call Mr. Paz in the morning. If it's true that the Federation is sending money to Juravel,I will not give another penny to the Federation. My funds will go elsewhere.

July 24, 2006 7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that it is wrong for the Federation to be supporting Juravel.

But as an orthodox jew, I also cannot condone the Federation supporting conservative and reform (especially reform) schools and synagogues who violate what I hold to be the truth.
To contribute to the Jewish Federation knowing that Rambam gets a cut doesn't matter to me- because the AA and Mickve Israel also get a cut. I have friends who belong to both and I have attended kiddushes at the AA- but that doesn't mean that I have to put my money into supporting institutions that teach what is contradictory to what I know to be true.
But to support Juravel? Please.

For information, Fred was the Fed Pres.once.

Moises Paz is probably the person to be held accountable for this.

Even if someone is giving a directed donation to the SJF to be given to Juravel, the SJF should be saying no.

Money should be put into continuing education for the community.

July 24, 2006 8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. Call Mr. Paz in the morning. But do not allow him to give you some BS answer. The Federation is sending money- that is a FACT.

July 24, 2006 8:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Federatios help the indigent regardless of what they believe, what they've done, what they haven't. Their institutional mission is to help the poor. Juravel, deprived of his livelihood, his family etc. fits that description. The Federation is right to support him and these matters are subject to strict confidentiality restrictions. It is disgusting for confidential matters to be discussed openly, or the Federation will have to disclose which one of your enemies received some benefit and you can threaten to blackball them because of xyz. If you care about the poor and issues of Jewish continuity, including Israel, you give to community campaigns. Those who are threatening a boycott probably don't give much anyway, but in principle, you are wrong.

Federations help the mentally ill. If you aren't mentally ill, or you don't approve of a particular mental illness, must you insist, no, I'll only support MY mental illness? this is childish and venal.

The Federation will assist anyone who needs counseling on a sliding scale basis. SJ is at the bottom of the scale.

July 24, 2006 10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is the Federation sending money to ? Direct to Juravel ?
To his Atty's ? Who ?
And Why ? What is the reasoning for sending juravel money ?
How can this be happining ?

If Juravel is getting money, is that money taxable income that he has to report ?

Exactly how much money has the Federation sent ? Was any amount that was sent approved by the Board of Directors of the Federation ? I can't believe that anyone would approve of funds going towards this person.

July 24, 2006 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it's true that the SJF is sending money to Juravel, that's a Hell-of-a-note. The Federation supporting a child molesters defense. I can't believe it !

July 24, 2006 10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Savannah guy who left us straight, went to TA and returned to us gay (not that we think any less of you), were YOU a Baltimore victim as well?

This is not meant to disrespect you in any way.

July 24, 2006 10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I have to agree with you on one point, Juravel is certainly on the bottom of the scale. You can't get any lower then a child molester.
Would the poster feel the same if his child or children were the molested ones ? Would the poster feel the same if his wife were raped (G-D Forbid). Would he support the rapist ?

July 24, 2006 10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry. I think your thinking is childish and venal.
Murder, Rape, Child Molestation, all are out of the norm, all committed by people that are somewhat a little "off", not normal. Let's just close down all the prisons and claim that the poor criminal's are all mentally ill,and need treatment.
Juravel's crime's were well planned out,not spure of the moment stuff. He knew exactly what he was doing. Is he off, sure. Let him seek "mental illness" help in prison,where he belongs.
In doing so, it doesn't take our money from the SFA to support his treatment. The Federal Government will provide the treatment,at taxpayers expense, which we're paying for anyway.
I'd prefer to see my money, the Federation money going to people who truly need the funds and not people who have molested our children. Don't hide behind the "Devil made me do it" syndrome.

July 24, 2006 11:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Awwwww ! Poor Juravel, deprived of his livelihood, his family ! You make it sound like we deprived him of the above.
Juravel deprived himself of his livelihood, his family. He premedated his actions over several years and got caught.
He did this to himself. We didn't a anything to do with it.
What he did was to deprive the children that he molested a normal
growing up experience, their innocience, their mental state, sleepless nights for the children and their families. He deprived himself. If you can't do the time,don't do the crime. Something that he should have thought of when he was fondling our children or traveling to Birmingham to meet children with a brief case full of
child porn,condoms,telling his family,his bosses that he was on a business trip. Is he sick,you bet.
Is he a criminal, you bet. Awwwww ! poor juravel !

July 24, 2006 11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speak out. Cry out. This is the purpose of the blog.

Bare your emotions. Help one another. Seethe with anger, boil over. The world goes on. SJ will deal with his fate and if you wish to earmark your very generous annual contributions to your Federation towards a named facility for the victims of molestation and child abuse, that would be very nice. You should send around a pushke just for psychiatric treatment.

And Federations will do what their mandate requires, to help the indigent, the poor, the less fortunate, some whom ARE also responsible for their own plight. Does that mean we don't help them? What about the intermarried? Do we help them? We most certainly do, with or without your threats or approval.

July 25, 2006 9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see that someone posted a pretty direct question to a member of our community that has no relation to supporting Shmuel or the funds being sent towards him. That post has absolutely no business on this website. Like you, I post Anonymously, which I think is fine. However, when you use Anonymity to publicly ask questions that you are afraid to ask in person when it has no bearing on Shmuel-the subject of this blog- then you have gone way too far. If you want to ask someone if they were a victim, then ask them in person if you have the guts. Do not disparage others who have done the community no wrong to satisfy your own curiosity.

July 25, 2006 9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A friend turned me on to this blog. I've read through all of them. The last blog just tells it like it is. Juravel did it to himself. Is he sick , does he have a mental illness,sure but so do all people that commit rape, murder,theft,any crime ; something is off with criminals or else they wouldn't be criminals.
Should he seek help,sure. Did he commit crimes, my G-d, he sure did.
Do I feel sorry for him,NO. As the blog points out, HE MOLESTED CHILDREN..not consenting adults having sex together, HE MOLESTED CHILDREN. Perhaps my children,your children, someone that you know.
His inditement says that he's very smart ; good for him. Let him figure out how he can get out of this. He belongs in jail,getting treatment,although from the description of his character, he may not want treatment. He just might find "a friend" in prison and be content with that. He's a fiend, an untouchable, an outcast from society.Let Mr. Isaacson be his friend and as one poster stated,Isaacson can visit "his friend" every weekend for the next 5,10,20,30,years. And when he gets out,he can have him over for kosher

July 25, 2006 10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you saying that intermarriage is equal to CHILD MOLESTATION ?

Juravel took these young boys and tried to have sex with them. Hasn't
that sunk into everyone's heads by now. You can be a forgiving as you want to be, but it seems that some just don't get what this person has done. He molested our children.

I didn't go crazy when his stock brokers license was taken away, I thought, O.K. he;s just a crook. I won't do business with him. I really wasn't angry with him ; in fact I felt sorry for him and thought him pretty lucky to have his in laws to fall back on by giving him a job.
I can't shout it any louder. This outpouring of feeling for this pervert makes one ill. The guy is A CHILD MOLESTER. Can't get any lower then that. Daimler was a child moilester that turned to murder.Perhaps Juravel got caught before he had the thought that he was so smart, perhaps he could get away with more. What if one of his victims said they were going to turn him in. That may have been
the turning point for this guy to really see if he could get away with murder. He's a criminal of the worst kind. He will find that out when he goes to prison. Even the criminals have a code and they simply don't take kindly to CHILD MOLESTERS.

July 25, 2006 10:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think SJ deserves Kosher Food

You know what, Clean clothes and regular haircuts as well.


Bible Boy

July 25, 2006 12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s time the Federation opens it’s books to the public. Most institutions make public an annual accounting of distribution of donated funds. The federation isn’t above The American Red Cross, The Salvation Army and others. The people of Savannah should demand this.

The thought of comparing helping the mentally ill to helping child molesters is despicable and inexcusable. To justify using my money and the money of victim’s parents is offensive to everything descent. I know many of these parents and the victims; shame on the Federation. To use the phrase “Their institutional mission is to help the poor. Juravel, deprived of his livelihood, his family etc. fits that description” is way out of line. Juravel isn’t deprived of a livelihood. My tax money is already supporting him and I hope will for many, many years. Deprived of his family? Juravel threw his family away by his actions. His family are victims, Sam is not. Juravel, no longer working for a liveilhood and Juravel no long having his family doesn’t remotely make him poor. He’s pathetic, yes, but far from poor.

The fact the Juravel has a Savannah attorney raising money for him and has the federation sending him money donated by his victim’s parent just proves how clever and cunning Juravel is. He’s still molesting Savannah. I wonder what organizations and who he is still molesting in Baltimore.

July 25, 2006 4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s time the Federation opens it’s books to the public. Most institutions make public an annual accounting of distribution of donated funds. The federation isn’t above The American Red Cross, The Salvation Army and others. The people of Savannah should demand this.

The thought of comparing helping the mentally ill to helping child molesters is despicable and inexcusable. To justify using my money and the money of victim’s parents is offensive to everything descent. I know many of these parents and the victims; shame on the Federation. To use the phrase “Their institutional mission is to help the poor. Juravel, deprived of his livelihood, his family etc. fits that description” is way out of line. Juravel isn’t deprived of a livelihood. My tax money is already supporting him and I hope will for many, many years. Deprived of his family? Juravel threw his family away by his actions. His family are victims, Sam is not. Juravel, no longer working for a liveilhood and Juravel no long having his family doesn’t remotely make him poor. He’s pathetic, yes, but far from poor.

The fact the Juravel has a Savannah attorney raising money for him and has the federation sending him money donated by his victim’s parent just proves how clever and cunning Juravel is. He’s still molesting Savannah. I wonder what organizations and who he is still molesting in Baltimore.

July 25, 2006 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The above post is right on target.
To contribute a penny to this CHILD MOLESTER from the Jewish Federation is beyond me.
What are these people and organizations thinging of when they try to help the person that MOLESTED our children ? Help him to do what. Get him off, Get a lighter sentence . Would they donate if he had molested one of there own children.

July 25, 2006 7:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Until I see evidence that he actually molested, I don't want to believe it. Did he sodomize anyone, or is he merely being branded a molester? Branding is easy. "HE MOLESTED OUR CHILDREN."

Is this a matter of definition or fact? If there are facts, they will surface in court.

No Federation anywhere, no public institution anywhere, breaches confidentiality with their clients. Reporting of public assistance is given in general terms, never specifics. The agency, workers and their supervisor approves disbursements. Charity is a private matter, nobody else's business. In Savannah, everybody's business is everybody else's business, a small town, small minds.

July 25, 2006 7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. Who decided to send my money to Juravel? I did not pledge or give money for this. I thought the money was going to causes I supported. I do not think there was an official meeting where it was decided to send Juravel money. I think that one person that controls the Federation funds feels bad for Juravel and sent the money. I am VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THIS. I will not give another penny until the Federation apologizes and promises not to contribute more money to this monster.

July 25, 2006 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Paz: Your post, part of which included this -"Federations help the mentally ill. If you aren't mentally ill, or you don't approve of a particular mental illness, must you insist, no, I'll only support MY mental illness? this is childish and venal."- is a pathetic response.

Regardless of whether you post your name, I know it is you posting. You have also defended Bobby Issacsons actions on several occasions since you sympathize. I do not think where my money goes is a Confidential matter. SHOULD I CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO HAMAS? It would go to poor, indigent, murderers. Your response is ridiculous. The majority of Federation supporters would not contribute if we knew the money was going to Juravel, and we have a right to know this.

July 25, 2006 9:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should the Federation give money to Juravel ? To get him off ?
To pay for an atty ?
Juravel is guaranteed an atty. under the Constitution. We as taxpayers pay for that.
He will be getting a fair trial. If found guilty, will be sentenced according to law. Why send him Federation funds.
I'm sure his parents can send him funds to buy a candy bar or his friend Bobby will pop for one.
Federation money should not be used for the benifit of a child molester,period.

July 25, 2006 10:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.K., let's say that juravel didn't actually molest children,BUT he did get caught by the FBI and Postal Authorities with Child Porn which he brought accross state lines; He did cut three $100.00 bills in half and sent them off to insure that he was sincere in his request to have sex with young boys ; he did tell his wife and in laws he was gong on a business trip, he was caught
and arrested by the FBI, he was denied Bail because he would pose a flight risk because of his "cavelier attitude"..And several Savannah families have gone to the FBI with statements regarding Juravel..and he's been in prison since February ; what,is this all made up just to get Juravel. I don't think so.

How in the world can any decent thinking person even begin to support this person or his actions.
What would prompt the Jewsish Federation to assist this person ?

Anyway, I'm a little short for my car payment this month. Will the federation send me some money. Sorry, I have a job, haven't been arrested, am not in jail, but I could sure use a few hundred extra this month.

July 25, 2006 11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am writing from Birmingham, where this trial will begin in less than three weeks. I only want to know from the folks of Savannah: (approximately) how many victims were there of Mr. juravel's and how many have come forth to the authorities?

July 26, 2006 12:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who said they do not want their money going to the Reform or Conservative schools because you believe differently.... HOW DARE YOU? Our kids do not go to Rambam but we support its institution. We buy tickets to everything, support any fundraiser, and have never tried to divide it all into sub categories as we make our pledge each year. Thank you for giving my family your perspective. My family will no longer buy any raffle tickets, support any Rambam night outs, make any Day of learning doantions, and I can assure you, my family will never supprt and BBJ function ever again. Thank you for enlightening our family. The low-life conservatives! Oh, P.S. where I come from, JEWS are JEWS! YOu are the reason NO ONE understands the Orthodox. YOu should be ashamed of yourself! I do not share your beliefs but I have never criticized you for yours. Hashem sees me the same as he sees you...Well, maybe he sees me differently as I do not have a favorite type of Jew.

July 26, 2006 10:55 AM  
Anonymous The Guardian said...

Dear Birmingham Resident:

If you are serious then I think you should contact the Chatham County authorities and not use this "blog" which is far from reliable when it comes to any information posted. People are anonymous, facts are unverifiable, and nothing may be as it seems.
So if you are truly concerned, get in touch with the authorities because here you could get an answer like "we have hundreds of children in our community and at least 75 of them have come forward as well as parents"

Your concern is important, but get real. Blogs are only so reliable.

July 26, 2006 10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am writing from Baltimore and all i want to know is how many victims were there in birmingham?

July 26, 2006 12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who criticizes me for not wanting to support conservative and reform causes in Savannah:

I am so glad for you and your sentiments. I am also glad that organizations like Jews for Jesus can count on you, since after all, they are Jews as well, right? You must also support the Neturai Karta since they are Jews too, right?
Your "I'm okay you're okay" attitude is refreshingly nauseating.
Remember this, tolerance is one thing. Everyone has the right to believe what they like, no exception. I am respectful of my friends in the AA and Mickve Israel and what they believe. However, giving financial support to beliefs that I know are false is something completely different.

And as far as NOT believing what the orthodox do, so you believe that keeping Shabbat according to Orthodoxy is actually INCORRECT?
You maintain that for one to eat only kosher food is a BAD THING?

To say "I'm not that observant, but I respect and even support observance" is okay.
But where is the integrity of one who believes and lives an observant lifestyle and yet actively supports causes that promote non-observance?

Jews are Jews. True- but I cannot in good conscience support a movement that encourages its members to violate thousands of years of law and tradition and teaches them that this is how Hashem wants us to live.

We have many members of the orthodox community who are far from observant, really, just look at the BBJ parking on Shabbat and holidays.
But do they respect observance? You bet, or they would be attending services somewhere else that doesn't idealize observance.

So, if you choose to draw a line in the sand and limit your support to orthodox insitutions that strengthen Judaism and Torah education more than ANY OTHER INSTITUTION IN SAVANNAH, you go right ahead, if you feel that is correct.

Could Rambam survive without the Federation? Probably not. But I as one orthodox jew, simply cannot put money into something that will support things that are contrary to my 3300 year old way of life.

I assure you, my observance does not affect in any way, my ability to be modern and contribute to modern society.

I sincerely hope you reconsider your decision and get over your anger.

By the way, if you so disagree with my approach, why mimic it?

July 26, 2006 3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person who used the term "The low-life conservatives to describe one's own family".

I am Orthodox and I am also offended by the person's comments about not supporting anything else. I agree with you that we are all Jews first. Those comments from the other poster are unacceptable and offensive.

So we may have one persone who calls him or herself Orthodox and say offensive things. Those views represent only that one person's views. I think it is wrong to judge all Orthodox based on this one person's statement. It would also be wrong to judge all conservative based on one person's statement.

There have been many Federation Presidents and Board members in Savannah from BB Jacob. They have all voted for the funding that has included the Conservative and Reformed institutions. These are people who are in leadership of the Orthodox community.

Please don't punish all of us because of one person's offensive comment.

July 26, 2006 4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who wrote, "Please don't punish all of us because of one person's offensive comment" are right. I let one idiot, who now compared me to a Jews for Jesus supporter, make me so angry I acted as CRAZY as he/she did. Thank you for bringing me back down to reality and seeing I cannot judge a group by one member.
And to the poster who stands on their "I am holier than everyone" pedastal, I am a BBJ member and have been my entire life. I just hope my children do not know you or your children. I just cannot get over the fact you think you can decide where your federation money goes. NONE Of us can be sure where it goes but we know it supports Jews all over. My statement about Jews being equal did not imply those who believe in Jesus Christ. YOu know that, though. YOu were just being sarcastic and rude by trying to criticize those who do not do as you do. I love that you say you are respectful to those who are your friends belonging to other Synagogues. You are like that person who says, "I am not a racist. I have a black friend."

July 26, 2006 8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Savannah orthodox community has always been elitist. As far back as I can remember, they always felt that they’re above the other Jews in town - as if they are the real “chosen”. On many occasions throughout the years I have personally heard B.B.J.’s orthodox make fun of and criticize A.A. and Mikvah Israel members. I’ve personally heard many of B.B.J.’s orthodox leaders, teachers and elitist say that A.A.’s and Mikvah Israel’s rabbis ARE NOT REAL RABBIS. Many of the B.B.J.’s congregants have also made these comments directly to me and in the presents of others often laughing or snickering when they speak of A.A. and Mikvah Israel. It’s killing me not to name names of the “righteous” who has said these things directly to me. Who are these hypocrites of the faith, these masters of Loshen Hora to criticize? Savannah’s orthodox needs a helping of humble pie…..but to Savannah’s orthodox, Humble Pie isn’t kosher.

July 26, 2006 8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person in Birmingham. I can only speak for myself and two other parents. We (three) have gone to the authorities and made our statements regarding Juravel.
The incidents have gone back 6 years up until appx. 9 months ago.

A Rabbi in town was informed of the incidents as far back as 5 years ago. He did not take any action regarding the incident because there was no real proof, only the word of a youngster as opposed to a "fund raiser".
The community was blinded the fund raising that juravel was doing. When some tried to tel the "leaders" that something wasn't right with juravel, it fell on "def" ears. Don't rock the fund raising boat. Hasham came in second to who can sell more tickets. Glory at a dinner for being recogonized was / has become more important to the Glory of Hasham. Juravel picked up on that theam quickly, endeared himself to the community (some) and proceeded to molest children. That's just the way it is, the way it was !

July 26, 2006 9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am respectful of my friends in the AA." Obviously, the poster wasn't referring to a local synagogue, but Alcoholics Anonymous. We understand this self righteous person has problems. We sympathize and extend our best wishes for a full recovery. Remember the twelve steps.

One can earmark gifts to Federation to one agency, say, J.D.C., one of the purest forms of charity in the entire world. Anyone who doesn't understand why is ignorant. Those who do not give are looking for excuses. They find them. The poster who derides and diminishes those whose levels of observance or belief are different than his, isn't a true ohev Yisroel. In the nine days, it's sad to have to say that.

Jews are Jews. To the Ribbono shel Olam, they are equally precious. Those who place LESS stress on externals are probably holier than the ones who wear their tzitzes out with black hats, etc.

The rank and file of non Orthodox movements are not the same as those who created and lead those denominations. Shame on you for tarring everyone different than you with the same brush. A tzaddik, you are not.

July 26, 2006 9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This whole thing is a fiasco. I'm the one who has been writing things AS IF I was from Savannah's Jewish community.
You small town citizens have been suckered.

And why?

Because you pay too much attention to these silly "blogs" and not enough to your own lives.

Get over it. I don't even live in Savannah and I lit a fire under you and got you all acting crazy.

Someone told me about this blog so I checked it out. And sure enough, you people will put credibility in anything.

I know very little about the Jewish community is Savannah except for the name of the 3 shuls and the Day School.

What I find very interesting is that you all lost your focus so quickly and no one mentioned to stop the bickering and get back to the topic of Sam Juravel.

Suckers. You should be ashamed that you waste your time on this .

I'm out of here and I feel very sorry for those of you who were suckered in by me. You are truly the South's most gullible.

July 26, 2006 10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about when Rabbi Jerry Potack of the AA killed himself 14 years ago?
Which rabbis stepped in to tutor your Bnai and Bnot Mitzvah?
Which rabbis helped your congregation and tended to them?


No, it was the orthodox rabbis under the leadership of the BBJ rabbi. They went out of their way for you!!

How dare YOU???!!!!

July 26, 2006 10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gullible, that's for sure. The community was taken in by juravel because he raised money. That's all the community cares about, who can sell the most tickets, who can raise more money. From the old man that literally "forces" people to buy tickets for fear that they might offend the family to a juravel, who used his talents to get in the community and molest the children. It's all about money / big business. One big political organization..Talk about idol worship..Washington,Jefferson,Grant..that's what the it's all come to,overlooking the likes of a juravel.
And juravel is still suckering people in by getting money from the Federation and any one else that would care to donate to the child molester. sick !

July 26, 2006 11:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Person Who Wrote:-"This whole thing is a fiasco. I'm the one who has been writing things AS IF I was from Savannah's Jewish community. You small town citizens have been suckered." You are full of it. I know who you are and you are from Savannah. It is obvious that you will do anything to turn attention from this blog. While it is true that some things posted on this blog are hearsay, much of it is true. Now, you cannot respond to my post. Otherwise, you would be a hypocrite since you claim you will not waste anymore time reading these blogs. No, I would bet anything that you will continue to read and monitor this blog. From time to time you will post things in order to further your agenda. YOU ARE PATHETIC!

July 27, 2006 12:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Jewish bashing has no place here. This is not about the community, it is about Juravel. This horrible experience can happen anywehere whether it is a Christian or Jewish community. It can happen to Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative etc.

July 27, 2006 12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am the one that broke the Savannah Federation news. Unfortunately, as many of you have discovered-IT IS TRUE. Our money is being sent to a child molestor, a piece of garbage that raped our community in more ways than one.

July 27, 2006 1:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of my family members is on the Board of one of the major Jewish Federation's in America. Most Federations have to file financial statements, which are public and account for the money. Now the list of where the money goes is general since a list of every dollar and where it goes would go on forever. However, this info. is available to the public and if one inquires the information should be supplied. Endowments and grants are an exception. These are not always public. I certainly hope that we are not funding SJ with a grant or a scholarship. How pathetic it would be if the Savannah Jewish
Federation has a Child Molestor Prison Fund.

Maybe the Savannah Jewish Federation got confused by the fact that its initials are SJF and Juravel's initials are SJ, and accidentally sent checks to Shmuel-a big mistake.

I guess this attrocity was good for something. Even though Shmuel hurt our community, he also pointed out several of our weaknesses to us and we can learn from them. The latest lesson is that we cannot be SHEEP and just give money to the Federation blindly. The Federation must account for our money. Money has been a recurring theme throughout this blog. Shmuel fooled the community with money. We cannot allow the Federation to do the same.

July 27, 2006 1:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Paz:

If you want to remain in your position, you must not make decisions without the authority required to take such actions. This is a Warning. Despite what you may think, you are accountable to the community. Without our money, you have no position. If you continue to send our money to Shmuel, then I assure you that you will lose a tremendous amount of support. Without our backing you are nothing and you will have nothing. This is not a threat. Consider it a wake-up call. I thought my money was going to support Jewish events, the community and Israel. You have stolen my money. Your solicitations were a charade- that is how I feel. Juravel is no longer a part of our community-thank g-d. He is now a member of Alabama prison. If the Birmingham Federation wants to help him-whatever. My Federation will not do so any longer. If it does, then I assure you the Savannah Jewish Federation will exist no more.

July 27, 2006 1:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop bashing sects of the Savannah community. This blog is about Shmuel and those that knew about and covered up his actions. It is about those that help him. It is about the entities like the Fedration that are sending our money to Juravel.. focus on these issues. Leave sects of Judaism out of it.

July 27, 2006 1:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Obviously, the poster wasn't referring to a local synagogue, but Alcoholics Anonymous. We understand this self righteous person has problems. We sympathize and extend our best wishes for a full recovery. Remember the twelve steps."......That’s as good as you got for a response concerning such a serious issue? Amazing.

July 27, 2006 3:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How dare YOU call him "Belzer" and not show respect by calling him RABBI Belze???!!!!

Oh yes! You're orthodox.

July 27, 2006 7:35 AM  

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