Tuesday, August 01, 2006

Thread # 12 - Eisgrau's Daughter Talks About Shmuel Juravel


Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau / Shmuel Juravel

The Link Between Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau and Shmuel Juravel - A Response From Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau's Daughter


Thank you to all of you for your kind words, support, and validation. Each time I am truly heard it helps heal a small piece of the pain of being silenced and invisible for so many years.

I remember my father trying to help Shmuel Zev Juravel when he was a young teen. If I remember correctly (I'm pretty sure that this was Juravel, if not it was another one of my fathers "cases") He was clashing with his parents at home and rebeling by refusing to eat fish on Shabbos (Something his parents considered a Mitzvah). I Remember my father trying to convince him to "Just eat the fish to make your mother happy." From what I have seen of my fathers work with troubled kids, he does not (know how to) address or deal with the underlying (real) issues, and his focus has been on making parents happy by 'rescuing' their wayward young and setting them back on the 'right track' ( usually meaning,doing what the parents want).

About 10 years ago, I was single and not religious, and Juravel called me up one day out of the blue. He and a friend were crusing around and wanted to know if they could drop by. I had no relationship with him other than our families being close friends forever. Having a hunch that he and I likely had something in common, I said yes. I was not living alone and made that clear to him on the phone.

The two guys came over and we sat and shot the breeze a bit and then sat in silence. He looked at me and I looked at him and neither of us was going to come out and ask our questions. They ended up leaving, and to this day I don't know why he came. My questions were "So how did my father help you?" Did he hurt you too?" "What do you want from me?" I didn't ask because I was afraid that my father had sent him.

Don't know if this helps, but that's all I know.

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FYI: Here's Another Case Being Hushed Up By The Mafia of Baltimore

Rabbi Moshe Eisemann is related to Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau through marriage.
There is another case beind discussed on the internet that's based in Baltimore that everyone NEEDS to be aware of. It's the case of Rabbi Moshe Eiseman (please follow this link). Make sure everyone you know is aware of this situation. The only way to end child sexual abuse is to protect our children from any potential harm.

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Back to the facts of Shmuel Juravel
A jury trial will continue on August 15, 2006 on the case of Samuel Juravel. Shmuel Juravel has been held in custody since being arrested back on Feb 21, 2006.

Jury Trial Continued
August 14 at 9:00 am.

Judge Coogler
United States Circuit Court - Alabama Northern District
Hugo L. Black U. S. Courthouse
Birmingham, AL

Shmuel faces 70 years in Federal prison without parole plus a $750,000.00 fine.
Agents from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the FBI arrested Shmuel Juravel (Feb. 21, 2005) at a Birmingham hotel after he arranged to have sex with a minor.

Juravel grew up in Baltimore, MD. Around fifteen years ago the first allegations were made against Shmuel of child sexual molestation. According to statements made on the various threads, survivors and their parents sought help from Rabbi Moshe Heinemann who said he would take care of things. Needless to say, nothing happened.

Shmuel is the son of Rabbi Moshe and Shulamis Juravel of Baltimore, MD. Rabbi Juravel is employeed as a teacher at the Torah Institute of Baltimore. Shmuel Juravel is also the nephew of Rabbi Dovid Juravel and Rebbitzen Chana Juravel.


Samuel Juravel has 3 attorneys, 2 from the Law firm of Sirote and Permutt.
L. Robert Isaacson - is the third attorney has a private practice (Walter's Law Office) in Savannah, GA.

The prosecuting attorneys are:
  • John H England, III - Assistant US Attorney, Northern District of. Alabama, Southern Division
  • Alice H Martin - Assistant US Attorney, Northern District of. Alabama, Southern Division

This is a continuation of the conversation of Shmuel Juravel from Thread #11, the discussion will continue here on Thread #12.

48 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW ! The infamous juravel should be pleased. Twelve threads devoted to his infamous action. Hope it doesn't go to his head.

August 01, 2006 7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are getting a little crazy and confusing by making everyone jump from blog to blog. You are definitely losing readership.

August 01, 2006 10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can only assume that Eisgrau molested Juravel like he did his own daughter. Shmuel likely was coming to bond with Eisgrau's daughter b/c of the secret they both shared. He must have gotten scared when he arrived. I will confirm that it makes perfect sense that Shmuel was sent to Eisgrau for an argument over hating FISH. As a former friend of Juravel's, I can confirm that he hated fish- it was a big deal and he made it known. So, it makes perfect sense that she is pairing Shmuel with the guy in her mind that was sent to her father over his refusal to eat fish on shabbos- as ridiculous as it sounds.

August 01, 2006 10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder how many of Eisgrau's other victims also hated fish?

What are some of the other reasons why parents would send their children to Eliezer?

August 01, 2006 10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason there is much interest in this case is obviously because he is only 29 years old which means there's a range of folks out there who know him from one place or another and his family and his wife's family etc. The details are also shocking. But, it would be hard to assert that the reason this blog is so well trafficked is because his crimes stand out. Molesters who kill are the worst around. Does anyone think him capable of that?

As to the fishy story. One blogger says, "We can only assume that Eisgrau molested Juravel like he did his own daughter." What logic supports this assumption? If nothing was said, how can anyone infer anything at all about this visit to a family friend? The story proves nothing. It is fantasy to imagine what you wish to be true without facts. Let Juravel state that in court and you've got a case, but from a vague nothing memory, maybe he was thinking it was time to leave.

August 01, 2006 10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Molesters who kill are the worst around. Does anyone think him capable of that ?"

I do as I pointed out in Thread #11. This person premeditated every thing he did. He always knew what he was doing or at least he thought so.
If one of his victims told him that he was going to turn him in,I certainly think him capable of killing. As his inditement points out, he is very smart and cavilar in his attitude. He didn't have a thing before he came to Savannah and until he married into a very fine and wealthy family,then he went nuts. Gadgets,custom suits,
just stuff and certainly didn't want to lose any of it. If he felt that he was about to lose it by being turned in, I think that he would think that he was smart enough to get away with the crime of murder. This person was / is evil personified. Just my somewhat
professional opinion. This person never thought he would be caught!
Thank G-D, he was !

August 02, 2006 1:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who is so confused by a new thread. It is no different than having to fill your tank with gas when empty. The thread gets too long and would be much harder if a new one was not started. It is simple. All you do is highlight this BELOW:
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2006/08/thread-12-eisgraus-daughter-talks.html

THEN YOU RIGHT CLICK, COPY, AND LEFT CLICK ON YOUR ADDRESS LINE OF PAGE AND RIGHT CLICK PASTE! THERE IT IS! If this is too hard for you then you are not really interested. My 6 year old can copy and paste. Come on. Quit being so negative. YOu are not quitting and either is anyone else.

August 02, 2006 7:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we in birmingham find this whole juravel matter quite sad. we also find it pitiful that you in savannah are giving 'bobby' isaacson such a hard time for helping out a friend whom we feels sorry for. have a heart!

August 02, 2006 8:59 AM  
Anonymous JustTheFacts said...

Much as it may disappoint the conspiracy theorists out there, it is unlikely that Mr. Juravel was molested by Rabbi Eisgrau, or anyone else, during his youth. When Mr. Juravel was arrested, the authorities, as is routine, explained how the federal criminal system works, including the fact that “acceptance of responsibility” along with mitigating factors (such as childhood abuse) are factors that are viewed favorably come sentencing time. Accordingly, the authorities inquired into any mitigating factors, and asked Mr. Juravel why he chose to seek a relationship with young boys. The following is an excerpt from the Memorandum of Interview (generated by the interrogating detectives) relating to this point:
“When asked “why young boys,” Juravel responded “I don’t know.” He had some sexual experiences when he was 12 - 13 years old with some male friends of the same age which consisted of mutual masturbation or “masturbation both ways.””
Had Mr. Juravel been molested as a child, it is safe to assume that he would have mentioned this fact as a mitigating circumstance. Yet he did not. Accordingly, the conclusion that Mr. Juravel was not molested as a child, by Rabbi Eisgrau, or anyone else, is far more likely than the theories being promoted on this blog.

August 02, 2006 9:09 AM  
Anonymous Ari said...

To the person who wrote:
"The reason there is much interest in this case is obviously because he is only 29 years old"

I think the reason why this case is so popular is because we have all been waiting for a case in baltimore to hit the news media. It's time to clean up our act. I'm saying "our" because we are all responsible for all the cases in which our children are being molested.

Each time we turn our backs on someone who has disclosed abuse we are potentially causing a child to grow up severely depressed -- leading to drug abuse, suicide, eating disorders, etc.

Each time we turn our backs on someone who disclosed abuse means we are letting an alleged child molester walk the streets to find another victim.

Each time we listen to our rav's and blame a victim, I feel we are almost as bad as the offender.

So by giving Juravel a lot of attention we are begining to clean out an extremely infected wound in the community of Baltimore and possibly Savannah.

August 02, 2006 9:27 AM  
Anonymous Donald said...

It makes perfect sense to assume that Juravel was molested by someone. There's no way to know who victimized him. Could Shmuel have had more then one offender?

The answer is YES! Many survivors of childhood sexual abuse end up being abused by more then one person.

Could one of Shmuel's offenders been Eisgrau? The answer to that question is yes too. The only persons who could confirm our suspicions is either Shmuel or Eliezer.

Usually offenders go after either boys or go after girls. If they molest younger children (Pre-pubecent) then they may go after both boys and girls.

In Baltimore there's a rapist at large who raped at least two women in their 60's. I have not heard if that offender has ever been caught or if there have been any more victims. In that case the offender's MO is to go after women in a particular age range. Children are most likely NOT at risk by this individual.

Most offenders tend to follow a particular M.O. Shmuel went after boys. Eisgrau went after his daughter, but then I heard rumors he like boys too. Again this is all rumors and hearsay information. Not anything anyone can prove at this point.

August 02, 2006 9:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"just the facts",
how do you have this information? do you work for law enforcement? or do you have access to Juravel's arrest sheet?

If you do, is it ok to be discussing that sort of information on a blog prior to his trial?

Stop the bull already!

August 02, 2006 9:38 AM  
Anonymous JustTheFacts said...

I have access to all sorts of information, including information regarding the Juravel case. Rest assured that all the information I have posted is accurate and that I am authorized to post this information. Nevertheless, I thank you for your concern.

August 02, 2006 9:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shmuel went out of his way to avoid - in his mind at least, i think - hurting anyone. This is why he must have chosen to go out of town. To the self pitiful "professional" who views inappropriate touching as worthy of the death penalty, because of his "cavilar" attitude renting a car, the point is he went out of town to do the worst. This doesn't make him good, but it doesn't make him the worst. nuts.

August 02, 2006 9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JustTheFacts,

If you have access to this information and that you are authorized to post it, why not post it using your true identity?

Otherwise what you are saying has NO meaning. You can speak with all the authority you want, yet I see it as a bunch of bull. It's obvious you know nothing about this case or about sex offenders.

I hope you're enjoying being a master-baiter (one who gets off baiting people into discussions they know nothing about).

August 02, 2006 10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster in Birmingham who thinks we should give Bobby a break......imagine you have children. Let's just say you have one who is best friends with another child who has grown up in your home. You have watched this child go from a mere baby to a young adult aged 14. You have taken trips with this child, had many meals with this child and his/her family, been there at shiva calls when they have lost family members, sat in Synagogue together and davened, watched your child play soccer with this other child, etc....then one day you hear your best friend who happens to have no relation to this child, but is your buddy you fish with, travel with, had molested this young adult you have watched grow up in YOUR home for the past 14 years. Let me ask you honestly, would you really still protect this best buddy or try and support this innocent child who did not ask for any of this. I ask you, could you look this child in the eye and say "I am sorry, he is my best friend and I have to be there for him?" If your true answer is yes, you would be there for your friend, you are just as guilty as your friend for the betrayal and loss of innocence on this young adult you helped raise since it takes a village to raise a child and this child was in your village. Judge no one for how we feel about Bobby if you live in ALABAMA and were not directly or indirectly affected by this monster (SJ). His good friend, Bobby, is a grown man, has made his choice, however, we do not have to agree and you certainly have no right to say anything unless you have been involved.

August 02, 2006 11:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Justthefacts:

It sound like you are Justfullofbull! These interrogations are not the type of thing that can be released, especially not before the trial. you most likely made it up. If not, let us know how you came by this info. "I assure" everyone that you are full of it.

August 02, 2006 1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree; Mr.just- the- facts has no credibility( unless he knows SJ intimately!!) however, I sort am sort of on the side of the bloggers from birmingham. SJ doesn't need to be crucified. we need to show some degree of leniency. we are not catholics on a pogrom. the court should punish SJ, but not too severely. it sounds like he had much to offer the community and that in the future, once he has learned his lesson, he will again be able to be a benefit to another community. admit it- until this terrible matter came to surface, we all thought SJ walked on water. he should be punished. however, he simply has too much to offer wherever he may go in the future to spend the rest of his life in prison.it is almost tisha b'av, so let's show some mercy.

August 02, 2006 1:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must have missed something. Mr. Bull said, "It's obvious you know nothing about this case or about sex offenders."

How did the boy who called bull infer this? Many public documents are available, but not necessarily meant for public distribution. With responses like yours, we know why.

August 02, 2006 2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"we all thought juravel walked on water"..NO,I hardly thought that he walked on water. I saw a very brazen young man whose sudden rise in income went to his head. My husband got involved with him when he was a stock broker and was truly disapointed with Shmuels actions.
Many people thought of him as a young "punk" who's succuss (being handed to him) through marriage went to his head. He flaunted his preceived wealth and it all caught up with him. No,many of us didn't think he walked on water ; we don't believe that jesus walked on water and shmuel was no jesus.

August 02, 2006 8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juravel has to much to offer ??

This person had his stock brokers license taken away, embezzeled and charged unapproved funds to the firm and his father in law, ansd molested and touched our children,
and he has to much to offer.! ?
My bet is he gets a minimum of 20 years in prison. What ever he has, he can offer it in prison.

August 02, 2006 9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you crazy? He offered the community nothing. Rather, he took from the community and left destruction behind. He took our children's innocence.

And how can anyone justify what Shmuel did? What do you mean he went out of town? He did this in town. He was fondling boys left and right.

August 02, 2006 11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If some grabbed my genitals, I would blow his head off. Shmuel deserves no mercy from the system or from any of us.

August 02, 2006 11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Assuming the person who posted excerpts from Shmuel's interrogation posted the truth, there are tremendous implications. If Shmuel claims that he and his friends experimented by masturbating each other as kids, that means that he was trying to do the same thing-masturbate our sons- when he grabbed their genitals. With this in mind, I cannot understand how people are so casual when they say "that he just fondled them" (and I think he did more than that).

Regardless, I do not believe that Shmuel was completely forthcoming. He is a manipulator and a liar. He may have experimented with friends, but he was molested as well. He did not tell the entire truth. If you think he did, then I have bridge in Brooklyn that I would love to sell you.

August 02, 2006 11:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i would buy that bridge. how much do you want for it? the air rights alone would be very nice.

i hope for leniency, because i would like to believe he can be rehabilitated. That's the Jewish way. He did wrong, no question, but as a parent with boys, i would not someone to rot in jail for twenty years for simply touching them. I have a son who has been hit on numberous times. The predators who bothered him he avoids. He wasn't affected by the experience. How many innocent children in Savannah have been having nightmares?

Yet, you will testify against him to make certain he is punished. I hope the judge is more balanced, even handed and wiser than u. Punished he will be, as he deserves to be, but those who testify against him, seeking life in prison, are hurting him worse than he hurt them. Some would see that as a triumph, but there has to be a middle ground.

August 03, 2006 2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm happy to hear the your son wasn't effected by his experience ;
our son was as were his friends.

I certainly will testify against juravel . For you to say that we're hurting him more then he hurt us, is a way off base assumption.

I hope and trust that the judge will carry out the mandatory sentence allowing juravel the opportunity to "help the other inmates", that is if he's allowed in the inmate population. Even inmates have a code of ethics and child molestation is not thought kindly of. He will get what he gave and he will become "the child ".

August 03, 2006 10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree-punish him, but not too severely.

August 03, 2006 10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was no middle ground for juravel when he molested our children.

There was no middle ground when he deceived his wife, his in laws, the community,et.al.

He paid no attention or gave no for-thought to his victims and the scars his actions left on them,perhaps for the rest of their lives.

He wanted to be in control, of children,groups,tailors,everyone.

Now he will be in control of no one;he will be controled by the guards and the "bubba's" in prison.

He will be ruduced to what his victims were reduced to, a personal
child of his gratification. Measure for Measure,he will be judged.

August 03, 2006 11:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is being judged, true. But, you are appointing yourself judge, jury and executioner.

In maximum security, there will be no bubbas. He is alone. This is his punishment. Measure for measure is in the hands of hasham, not you. You are repaying him more than in equal measure. Testify that he wanted to control the tailor so that your credibility will be clearer.

August 04, 2006 1:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GO BOBBY!!!! A friend in need.............

August 04, 2006 1:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: " I agree - punish him but not too severely".

What does that mean ? Not to severely ! ?

1 year , 5 years , 10,20,30 years in prison. 1 year probation,5 yrs,10,20,..? !!

A spanking, which he probably would enjoy. Only one new suit a year , Take away his gadgets, make him wear a T shirt that says "12 and younger"...Not too severely..
Please !

August 04, 2006 2:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who said people should not testify so that SJ's sentence would not be too severe, your comments are irresponsible at best, and potentially damaging.

If he gets too light a service, other children, including his own, could be in great danger.

If his sentence is light enough and he convinces therapists that he is cured, anything can happen.

After a light conviction and sentence, if he does not come back to Savannah, he could go to a new community where he is unknown and start doing it again to other kids. We already know the damage done in Savannah when he left Baltimore to start doing it in another community.

I don't want cruel and inhuman treatment of him.

I want him locked up long enough that he can't hurt any other children. The only way this will happen is if people testify and provide evidence.

Also, who are you to say how badly someone else is hurt. That is incredibly arrogant. If someone else was violated, it is for that person to determine how badly he or she was hurt. Not YOU.

We have seen wild charges on this blog about people. We know that what is posted here is not necessarily fact. However, a judge, or a jury under the guidance of a judge, following rules of evidence will be able to determine facts. Based on their findings, he could get locked up for a long time.

I don't want innocent people tarred and feathered. I want guilty threats locked up where they will not hurt others.

To all who testify, and especially the victims, you are my heroes. You are bravely taking the steps that protects our children from being hurt again. THANK YOU!!!!!!

August 04, 2006 8:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not appointing my self his judge, I'm stating my opinion.

The jury will judge, the judge will judge, I have nothing to do with it OTHER THEN to testify about what I know, and what he did and the truth will all come out.

Sounds to me that your defending this misfit. Just because your child was touched,and so you say it didn't bother him,I would like to know why it didn't bother him. Any normal child would certainly be bother by "being touched" and any normal parent would be incenced
that their child was "touched".

Seems to me that like schmuel,your quite cavalier in your attitude towards this child molester. If
G-D forbid) you were ever raped, would you want your family and friends to be so forgiving ?

Contact Bobby and both of you can go and see juravel each weekend when he's in prison.Bring your child along as well.Seems that you wouldn't mind yur child being friends with juravel.

August 04, 2006 9:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not suggesting any child enjoys being sexually harassed, just that the more normal they are, the less it impacts. People with problems are affected. Their parents too.

If my rabbi told me to testify, I would. On my own, would I volunteer? I don't know the extent of his alleged crimes so cannot judge him. I cannot defend him either. But, I am striving for balance. Heated rhetoric achieves little other than to vent your own steam. As to visitation, I don't think prisoners are allowed visitors other than attorneys, very close family members, perhaps, one friend, those on a list. You do not want to be on that list. I will not be on that list. But, it's a very limited list. He will be confined to maximum security. Is this the best society can do to protect everyone else from molestation? I'd like to think some halfway house, some strictly supervised place in the woods would be more appropriate, prison but not with seriously dangerous, hardened criminals, murderers etc. You're still upset about the haves, the have gadgets, the have suits, the haves moolah. Do what your conscience tells you. I was never molested, but I know this isn't nice. I'm just not sure that you are either.

August 04, 2006 11:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BIRMINGHAM DOCTOR SENTENCED ON FEDERAL CHARGES OF INTERSTATE TRANSPORTATION OF CHILDREN FOR SEX

BIRMINGHAM, AL - WILLIAM FLYNN WALKER was sentenced in U.S. District Court late yesterday on federal charges of interstate transportation of children for illegal sex acts. U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Emerson Hopkins sentenced WALKER, 49, of Shelby, Alabama, to 327 months (just over 27 years) in prison without parole. He will be placed on life time supervised release after the prison term is served.

“Children will be protected from predators,” states U.S. Attorney Alice H. Martin. “Prison is the right place for Dr. Walker.”

WALKER, a Birmingham anesthesiologest was charged on September 28, 2005, with seven counts of transporting three different children from Alabama to various locations out of state during the time period from 1986 to 2004 and engaging in illegal sexual acts with them. He plead guilty to the charges on March 8, 2006.

This case is significant in that it brings attention to a new Federal initiative: Project Safe Childhood which was launched earlier last month. Project Safe Childhood is a major Department endeavor where U.S. Attorneys will work together with local Department-funded Internet Crimes Against Children task forces, and all their other federal, state, and local partners, in unprecedented cooperative efforts to attack online pedophiles and pornographers.

This case was investigated by Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the United States Postal Inspection Service. Assistant United States Attorney James E. Phillips prosecuted this matter on behalf of the U.S. Government

Don't think SJ will get out of jail anytime soon.

August 04, 2006 5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am new to this ste as are many here in birmingham. I have read much on this blog and have yet to come across ONE SINGLE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE of something this guy did. what exactly did he do that has all of you in Savannah so up in arms? I am aware of the federal charges; those are pretty blatant. I don't think you folks have a leg to stand on in savannah-no witnesses- and NOT ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSING THIS GUY OF!

August 04, 2006 5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not nice when it comes to the likes of juravel. On that point your 100% right and I admit that,BUT I sure am nicer then juravel,the person that molested our children.

I'm certainly not upset over the few material things that he had, just the way he handled them and flaunted them. He is not a humble
person by any means although I believe that he has been humbled.

I'm looking for closure and hope that he receives a just sentence as imposed by the court.

I still don't quite understand your somewhat sympathetic attitude
towards juravel. He molested our children, lied to his family,cheated his community,and certainly scared many. What don't you understand about that ?

If you feel so strongly towards him,become his sponcer when he is released. You guarantee his future actions. Allow him to reside in your home,around your children, tell him that your his friend hoping that he will listen and not betrey you.Place your trust in him.
Show him that you care and when your silver is missing,don't come running to any of us "not nice people".

August 04, 2006 5:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After 12 pages of blog, I'm finally jumping in to put in my 2 cents. I have to say, I am quite floored by what I have read so far. Some of the comments made seem to be strictly for stirring the pot of emotion. To the people in Savannah, do not listen to these people - what the guy did was wrong, and he should bear the consequences of his actions.

And frankly, the comment that "I'm not suggesting any child enjoys being sexually harassed, just that the more normal they are, the less it impacts. People with problems are affected. Their parents too." makes my skin crawl. With that one comment, you've just put the blame on the victims. It affects everybody. I can't believe there is such backward thinking in this community. It is like making the comment that a woman (or girl) deserves to be raped because of the clothes she wears.

August 05, 2006 7:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Birmingham poster.
Juravel molested our children,that's what he did.
This will all come out with the local authorities (Savannah) when charges are pressed against him.
To go into graphic details is not for this blog. The police have the details of his actions as well as the names of his victims,many of whom have been interviewed. They have given there statements.
Not living in Savannah,you would have no idea of what's going on but we do. Don't be upset that you don't know anything, quite frankly it's none of your business unless your a law enforcement officer, or a DA or juravel's atty.
You write as if your angry that we haven't shared with you what he did to our children. Why ? Do you know anyone involved in this case ?
Are you a friend of juravel or any of his victims ?

August 05, 2006 11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No charges are being pressed in savannah; they don't have the guts.

August 05, 2006 10:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's the chips fall where they may.

dr. walker transported live children. let law enforcement prove what juravel did in real time besides possessing pornography, condoms, an internet transcript, three half c notes and a digital camera. If he raped your children, he will be judged harshly, as he deserves to be.

On the merits of the case, juravel will be judged. Attacking him for his clothing is like saying a woman was assaulted because of her clothing. that's my two cents.

August 06, 2006 10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sick of people getting on here and posting stupidity like-"Duh, I can't figure out what Juravel did to people in Savannah, did he molest anyone?"

If you have really read this blog, you would know that Savannah people have confirmed that Juravel did molest and fondle children here. He violated my brother...What will it take for you to get that through your thick heads? Are Birmingham people really that slow? Do ya'll fit right in with the slow Southerner sterotype? Can you read?

Every time I read some Birmingham post asking why we are so mad, I am angry and offended. I am happy Juravel molested noone that you know, but he molested and fondled many people that I know. This happened to my family.

August 06, 2006 12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People continue to point out that Juravel raised a lot of money for the shul and school. In truth, he did raise a lot of money for the school. In fact, Shmuel came up with the idea to raffle off a Honda Accord every year- a tremendous success. Now, some people seem to think that this means that he is a good person and has a good heart. NOT ME!

Juravel raised money for the school in an effort to keep RAMBAM day school going strong- turning out fine young boys for him to PREY UPON. He was selfish and this was certainly his motivation. Raising money for the school also provided him with instant credibility with RAMBAM parents.

Before Shmuel moved to Groveland, the heart of the Orthodox community, he lived directly across from HERD school. I have no doubt that Shmuel had his nose pressed to the window every day at recess time.

August 06, 2006 1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I certainly agree with the above posts.What is it that people don't understand. shmuel MOLESTED OUR CHILDREN..Now if you want graphic details of what he did,forget it.
If you want that kind of thrill,go but a cheap book or look at porn.

This person used the community, lied to his wife and family, cheated to the degree that his stock brokers licence was taken away,and again MOLESTED OUR CHILDREN. What is it that the person from Birmingham does not get. What is it that local people
(juravel's friends) don't understand. I guess that he didn't molest their children because they have girls instead of boys. Has he molested their daughters, would "his friend" still defend him ? Well, in this case,perhaps the sick answer is yes.

August 06, 2006 5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see that "Jewish Survivors of sexual violence" blog has been removed from the Jewish blogging website - and all of your posts have been removed as well. Did you know? Under their terms of agreement they state that blogs full of "hate" will not be included. Do you think they consider your blog to fit this catagory? There are no blogs listed under 'sexual abuse' at all anymore. Did you know this?

August 06, 2006 8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the curious birmingham poster- although the extent of SJ's actions may have been a mere touch, he would have gotten a lot further if our boys did not have the strong moral upbringing they received here in savannah.by the way, it is estimated that there were as many as 13 'victims'of SJ. the big day is only a week away; let justice be served!

August 06, 2006 9:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He would have gone a lot further but they were not the least bit interested. What if it were a girl? Are you so confident of the high moral standards in Savannah under every circumstance? I wish the history of NCSY nationally were so pure.

The air must be cleaner where you live.

August 06, 2006 10:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Big Day is only a week away"!

Sounds like a public hanging in the grand old days or Ringling Brothers coming to town.

I'd sure like to sell the popcorn (salty) and follow up with the coke concession.

I sure hope that Justice is served;
A fair trial, find him guilty, put him away and we as parents, and our children can get on with the healing and go forward with our lives. Juravel has taken a toll on all of us, I wonder if he knows just how much or if he even cares.

August 07, 2006 5:33 AM  

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