Thread #6 - Shmuel Juravel's Trial set to start on July 10, 2006
Samuel Zev Juravel has plead not guilty. His next court date is July 10, 2006.
Agents from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the FBI arrested Shmuel Juravel (Feb. 21, 2005) at a Birmingham hotel after he arranged to have sex with a minor.
Juravel is grew up in Baltimore, MD. Around fifteen years ago the first allegations were made against Shmuel of child sexual molestation. According to statements made on the various threads relating to this case on this blog, the survivors and their parents sought help from Rabbi Moshe Heinemann who said he would take care of things. Needless to say, nothing happened.
Shmuel is the son of Rabbi Moshe and Shulamis Juravel of Baltimore, MD. Rabbi Juravel is employeed as a teacher at the Torah Institute of Baltimore.
Juravel will be going before a Judge in Federal court at a hearing on Thursday, May 25, 2006 in Birmingham, AL.
Shmuel Juravel's case will go to trial sometime in early June. He faces 70 years in Federal prison without parole plus a $750,000.00 fine.
Due to the number of postings on Thread #5, the discussion of Shmuel Juravel will continue here on Thread #6.
posted by Jewish Survivors at Friday, May 26, 2006
81 Comments:
How do you know that Shmuel plead not guilty? How do you know when his court date is?
I don't believe Sam pleaded 'not guilty' or that he had a plea hearing yet or that his court date is June 10th until I read it someplace other than...
Anonymous said...
He did not plead guilty (which in itself is a crime!!!) and now his court date is set for July 10th.
Says who? I need to see an official site or read it in the newspaper. "Anonymous said" ... Ooo ... now there's a reliable source. Why wouldn't this person give reference as to where these 'facts' are coming from? Why? Because they can't. Ooo… "Anonymous said”
bottom line.
what can be done? what is being done?
i thought this whole juravel thing would be some kind of learning experience in the religious communities. but hey, yet NO COMMENT from Baltimore "Jerusalem of America" like one of the bloggers stated... no response, huh? not just no response, but we spoke to the rabbis about another hushed up case, and they commented that there is enough bad publicity and we should hush up. they have used every effort possible to hush us up. anyway, i came across another blog by white-supremecists and they claim that jews are ruining the white race with all this sexual abuse going on. People, open your eyes to what is going on and put a STOP to this epidemic that has been pushed under the carpet for so long. especially amusing was this one comment about YK... That it was slander being used against him! Be aware of your surroundings and stop using "loshon hora" as a way to get out of being responsible and aware.
Where did you see that he pleaded not guilty. It's no where on the internet and I've looked everywhere? Back up your statement with FACTS..
How can Shmuel plead not guilty?! We all know he is guilty! Does he really think he will get away with this? or did, the rabbis' and family, hire him the best attorneys and with all this "mafia" here in Balto. we will be seeing a re-run of an OJ Simpson style acquittal?
this is scary!
Didn't they once call Berlin "The New Jerusalem"? Isn't it sort of dangerous calling Baltimore that?
To who ever is posting about the fear of white-supremecists. Remember the statistics are the same for their communities as it is for any other. One out of every 3 -5 white-supremecist female, and one out of every 5 -7 white-supremecist male was sexually abuse by the time they turned 18.
At leasst the Jewish Community and the Catholic communities have survivors coming out and speaking out. At last they are making it possible for there to be changes.
I guess the white-supremecist groups will just go on abusing their own children.
http://theawarenesscenter.org/anti-semitism.html
I'm a Rabbi in Baltimore- have never abused anyone, nor have I been abused. Noone has ever come to me about allegations of abuse about anyone. Furthermore- I've never heard of YK, although I do know Juravel's father. Is there something wrong with me?
Absolutely true, what you mentioned about the white-supremesists and that they too abuse their kids... but just the idea how all this stuff going on doesnt just completely damage our children, by letting it go on we are also allowing to damage us as a nation. as a whole. either way you look at it. if you focus on the individuals being abused, the rabbis and community remaining silent and all the innocent people that don't even have a clue... we as jews are all going to be punished letting it go on. The bad publicity out there now is totally damaging. Don't get me wrong - glad its out there and being taken care of. But wouldn't it be better in the long run if these issues were taken care of when they were "just rumors" with a few innocent kids involved or is it healthier and more noble to call it slander, divorce problems, and lies?! and allow it to escalate to levels of SZJ? Jews use your brains and add it up...
First of all, to the person that said that they wern't surprised that the rabbi ignored a warning about juravel..One warning came from a close friend of his, another came from an atty. in sav and one came from a caller. Three people, two known to the rabbi, one not known, several years ago.
Reference juravels not dovening..it was the joke of the shul..of course we all are guilty of talking in shul,not focusing totally on our praying but this jurival was outragious in his lack of respect for anyone that was dovening. He simply didn't dovin.
He came to shul, spent his time in the outer hall with the "kids"..that's a fact. He was like a butterfly going from person to person,dropping meaningless words..his actions were out of the ordinary..He always seemed to be on the champaign trail,running for office. That's a fact. He tried to be a controlling,in the office,in shul,with his wife, with his tailor,with the KIDS. Many of us saw but were afraid to mention anything about his actions. He just wasn't right but he was a good fund raiser,in control of every event,note the word control,
and because of that fact, many people were taken in by this person. He wasn't real but everyone kept their mouths shut for fear of hurting the wonderful family he married into and so much wanted to be part of but in the wrong way. He was not a humble person,but a hauty person..That's the way it was.Thank G-D he's caught !
"At leasst the Jewish Community and the Catholic communities have survivors coming out and speaking out. At last they are making it possible for there to be changes. "
Its still so minute compared to the amount of victims. Plus these are all adult victims and men in their late 50 (except for SJ - caught by fbi) that are being talked about. What about all those new abusers and all those young kids that are being molested who will only come out and talk when they are old enough to realize there are "survivor blogs" out there and support groups. What about all the victims that are still being hushed and silenced because they are children or "not enough evidence?"
what can we as a group do?
Put pressure on the rabbi's to let them know it's not "cool" to continue to cover for their own. If they hear or know something about abusers, call the police no matter who they are. Big shots, rabbi's, fund raisers,whoever. Don't turn their heads so as not to cause "the community pain". Don't worry about your "jobs". If the rabbi's get fired for exposing
someone, then they shouldn't be working in the community in the first place. It seems the hear no evil,see no evil,speak no evil,as long as I don't get caught doesn't fly any more. Stop treating the rabbi's as holy reps on behalf of Hasham. Let them all know that as a comminuty we won't tolorate what's going on,any longer. That they can and will be turned in. Don't allow the rabbi's or the $$$ people in the shul's to handle the cases. Turn it over to law enforcement. The rabbi's will just find a reason for them not to act.
to the "rabbi" in balto.
thanks for letting us know that you "have never abused anyone, nor have I been abused."
and if "Noone has ever come to me about allegations of abuse about anyone. Furthermore- I've never heard of YK, although I do know Juravel's father." The answer is YES something is very wrong with you...
#1 know mention knowing Juravel's father yet, seems you heard nothing of SJZ or any allegations in baltimore?! then how the Heck did you get to this blog? Something is very wrong with you- either you are no rabbi -- surfing the web like this... or you are a real "bad" rabbi and therefore it makes sense "rabbi in baltimore" so YES again. whoever you are... something is so wrong with you. check yourself in to shepard pratt for some evaluations, "rabbi"...
Over the last several years I have been told by various people they have never met anyone else who was abused as a child. They asked me given how high the stats were, how come they didn't know anyone.
The answer is very simple. Survivors usually only disclose their abuse histories to people they feel will be receptive.
I strongly believe rabbinic schools need to start educating rabbis, so that way they will be more open.
To the rabbi who wrote the comment, why not pick up the books "The courage to heal", by ellen bass and laura davis; and also the book called "victims No longer", by Mike Lew. They are both sort of like the bible for both female and male survivors.
The more you know and understand, the more likely it is that survivors may find you to be a safe person to come to.
To the Baltimore rabbi..You bet something is wrong with you. You don't / haven't heard anything about anything..The entire community knows but you don't. How dare you. Your going to tell me that juravel's father didn't hear the alligations years ago about his son. He and you must be the only ones not to have heard. It was
all over the community.
That's the problem, you hear no evil,speak no evil see no evil, head in the Torah,walking streets head down or looking away from people, from the real world, in your own world,not wanting to see what's really AROUND,BLOCKING OUT THE EVIL that exists. That's the problem and yes,you are the problem. The rabbi's seem to be the only ones not to know what's going on..leading the flock and not knowing whats going on..that's a big problem. Perhaps you don't want to know..Perhaps you couldn't turn in to the police ,a rabbi's son.Better to "handle the problem" amoung "ourselves". Come to the meetings,rabbi,see and hear what's been going on. Take you head out of the Book and enter the other real world that we live in. You bet,you are part of the problem.
Juravel pleaded not guilty.This means that his lawyers are going to try to make a deal in exchange for his talking.I would suggest that some Baltimore rabbis start saying a lot of Tehillim.
hello family,
here is the latest update in baltimore from our grassroots mission to reeducate our community. just in case you still think nothing is being done....our first meeting was attended by 18 survivors, 2 rabbis and 1 educator. for 3 hours they sat in a room and LISTENED to our pain. they didnt question,doubt,minimize...they just listened. since then the rabbis have set up a second meeting with 3 more rabbis, so we can continue to educate them. there is also a program being developed to bring it into our schools. we will continue to educate our rabbis and community thru survivors, clinicians, law enforment and legal counsel. we will connect them with resources for training and the ability to help a survivor file a police report, etc.
we would all love to see this attrocity undone or at least completely fixed. unfortunatley it will not happen over night. this is the biggest battle we could have chosen to face the community. but it is happening, progress is being made. if you want to come to this nect survivors/rabbis meeting it will be on may 30th, tuesday at 5pm. contact yacovsurvivor at yahoo.com. or you can find me thru vicki polin at the awareness center, or almost any other survivor here in baltimore knows me.be a part of the solution!
to the "rabbi in baltimore",
if you are really interested in educating yourself,contact the awareness center and the sidran foundation and find me.
"then how the Heck did you get to this blog?"
Did you ever think that maybe I was looking up information regarding a different issue and happened to notice something about Juravel?
Why the anger, anonymous? You're truly doing a disservice to all victims with your attacks and speculation. The facts speak for themselves, obviously there is a problem here and something needs to be done- but,why accuse people of things that you have no idea about? Is that how you'd like others to treat you?
Yah, right..not guilty. Gee,I just cut up 3 $100.00 bills and sent half to you,for the fun of it. I just flew to Atlanta, rented a car, drove to Birmingham for the fun of it. I just happened to have child porno pictures, condoms, a 35 m camera and other stuff but I don't know how it all got packed and on my computer. Hey, let's make a deal..I'll talk , go easy on my sentence, and I'll tell you all about Baltimore and Savannah.
How about it, do we have a deal ? !
Yah,sam,welcome back to Baltimore ; welcome back to Savannah, it was all a big mistake.
Anyone want this juravel for a neighbor ? He sure suits up well !!
Where did you get your information that juravel pled not guilty. I have surched the web and can't varify. Please list your source.
I don't think that the hearing took place. It's not in the public record. Varify your information, please.
i doubt they'd let him get away scott free, and wouldn't it be cool if he tattled on eisgrau!! two birds with one stone.
If you want information concerning Shmuel Juravel's case all you have to do is call Jill Ellis (205-244-2015),she is the public information officer. She is the executive assistant to the prosecuting attorneys John H England, III and Alice H Martin. IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS CASE PLEASE TELL THEM!!! DON"T ALLOW THIS MONSTER TO GET OFF AND POSSIBLY HURT OTHER CHILDREN!!
Jill Ellis, Public Information Officer, Executive Assistant for Alice H. Martin, United States Attorney Northern District of Alabama 205-244-2015
To Anonymous who wrote "Juravel pleaded not guilty.This means that his lawyers are going to try to make a deal in exchange for his talking.I would suggest that some Baltimore rabbis start saying a lot of Tehillim." You obviously know nothing about the criminal legal process. A plea of not guilty means that the defendant is requiring the gov't to prove every element of its case. That's it. In case you forgot, in the U.S., a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. Had he entered a guilty plea, one might assume that he cut a deal, but even that assumption would require additional substantiation before that conclusion could be reached. And, from what I recall, authorities in GA, MD and WY are out to get him as well, so I would not be concerned-yet.
I am starting to understand why this is such a problem. All of us want to blame others. However, the fault is our own.
We have a blame the victim mentality. In the case of the Savannah Shul, we hear all kinds of negative comments that have NOTHING to do with this case.
If someone does not like Savannah, there are no fences around the community. That person can LEAVE. No one is forcing that person to stay. If that person only wants to make negative comments, then a lot of us hope the person will LEAVE and find a place to be happy.
In Savannah, we don't like to hear negative comments about any community. Savannah has a small Jewish community. We have to fight and claw to have any yiddishkeit. It is only because we have a positive outlook that we are able to accomplish so much with so little. Perhaps because we have to work so hard, we take the negative comments so seriously.
I have been to many larger communities that can't get a daily minyan, have no day school, and have no Kollel. Savannah has all of these, two kosher Krispy Kremes, a Glatt Kosher personal care home, and fresh kosher meat in a Kroger despite a Jewish population well below 3,000. For most of us, this is a pleasant place to live. We do resent it being attacked for no positive reason.
What relavence does it have whether or not most people talk in the Shul. This is a gratuitous negative comment at best. Insistence on repeating it is painful at best. If other victims, whether child, adult, or institution are attacked this way, no wonder people will not speak out. If they fail to speak out, no wonder perpretrators are not convicted due to lack of evidence.
One possible Rabbi wrote asking if there was something wrong because he knew nothing. I would say "No, but please contact Vick at the Awareness Center and learn". He may be a sincere person ready to help make a positive difference. If he is, I hope he can.
A lot of people, including Shmuel's wife, knew Shmuel Juravel and did not know that he was a child molester. It is possible that someone could know his father and not know.
Please help create an environment where people can say, I have sinned and I want to perform Teshuvah. I want to correct my errors and help protect all of our children.
It starts by making constructive statements and not attacking others for no good reason. If any one wants to work to help to correct the situation, let us welcome them and encourage them. The negative, slash and burn attacks only discourage people from helping.
My concern is that I have children. I want my children to be safe. I don't want to have a fear of what will happen to them in the Jewish community. If people are not safe to speak, then my children will be more vulnerable.
I personally accept part of the blame. I could not have imagined this to have been true prior to all of this. I want to be part of the solution.
If someone says this has been done to them, I will help that person go to the FBI or police. I will encourage, support, and comfort them.
If an institution such as a school on shul is involved, I will start with the idea that the institution is a victim. I will try to make it easy for the Rabbis and leaders to be pro-active in addressing the situation.
If an institution attempts to be helpful, I will praise that institution and try to use it as an example for others to emulate.
If someone attacks those who try to help, then I will try to shout down the attacker.
I will try to focus on what people do that is positive and not just on what they do that is negative.
If we can have an environment where people can speak out without being gratuitously attacked, it can help.
p.s. Yaakov, I am impressed with your attempt to help. Keep it up, all positive attempts can only help.
As was said, people are being unduly tough on Savannah. Give 'em a break.
I've just read through all the posts and I'm sorry, but I don't see anything negative aboout Savannah. I don't see anyone attacking the Jewish Community. What I do see are posts that point out the truth about Sam Juravel and the truth about some people and Rabbi's ,in Savannah and Baltimore that have chosen not to see the kind of person Sam Juravel is. As a poster pointed out, he is a controlling person in all of his
endevours, including the children.
I read a posting that when people tried to being issues to the attention of the elders or Rabbi's in Baltimore or Savannah, no one wanted to bellieve it or investigate what was going on because he was a fund raiser for both communities. Money can and will get in the way on common sense most of the time. Nothing that I've read seems to say that anyone is unhappy with the Savannah or Baltimore Jewish Community, only with the lack of action by the elders or the Rabbi's to taker action when they were warned about Juravel's actions long ago. I think the previous poster, in there seemly forgiving way, just doesn't want to admit that there was a major cover up when it came to Juravel, both in Baltimore and the lack of action a few years ago, when a suspision was brought to the attention of some of the people in power in Savannah. For shame !
I also didn't see reference to people talking in Shul. I did see reference to Juravel not dovening when he was in Shul,except when he was called up to the Bema,where he read...It seems he was always in the outside hallway with the kids.
The posters were just pointing this fact out as to the character or lack of same for Juravel.Some people come to Shul to doven, I thought that's why people go to Shul, not to carry on conversations that can be held outside in the hallway. Want to talk, go outside. Juravel thought he was above all of that. He could do whatever he wanted to do, as long as he didn't get caught. He got caught !
To the person who said, "I've just read through all the posts and I'm sorry, but I don't see anything negative aboout Savannah." You need to go back from the beginning and read all the threads and posts....your comments were not accurate. I live in Savannah and there have been countless postings criticizing our community, Rabbi, specific families, etc. You need to read more before making a comment like you did. It is people like you who take the focus off the real issues here and it is a simple solution. Learn how to read.
I know many people are angry at the way the Baltimore community has handled things in the past, and the way they are currently handling situations.
The solution to these sorts of problems is NEVER violence! The solution is education!
When we can't get the system in place to work for us, we need to find a way to bring the problems out in the open. Publicity is always helpful.
Have you ever thought of picketing in front of Ner Israel where Rabbi Neuberger is located? Or picketing in front of Heinemann and Hopfer's shuls? You do this and get media attention things will change much faster.
Violence is NOT a short term solution to sexual abuse or assault. Violence begets more violence.
I know how to read and I stand by my remards. I do take issue with what a poster said that we're all to blame..I don't take any blame for the actions of a pervert. Juravel went after children to satisfy his lust and evil intent..I don't take blame for his actions,what so ever. I'm not to blame.
As far as comments regarding Savannah, again I don't see where the community was attacked. I do see where things are pointed out, hopefully to open people's eyes and see the community for what it is, both the good and the bad. If the bad isn't pointed out, how can it be changed.
It seems that the poster wants to cover over any so called negative's about Savannah..Nonsense.
Bring the wrongs to light so they can be corrected. Open your eyes to the reality of the town, all towns. And again, I don't / won't take blame for the actions of Shmuel Juravel, which seemly have been going on long before he came to Savannah.
Don't you all understand what has gone on here? We here in savannah have all become victims in our own ways. Some physically harmed by Shmuel and some emotionally (when we found out about this double life of his.)
To attack the rabbi of savannah is wrong. I have known him since i was young, and he is a good man. He truly cares about the community and helping and assisting anyone and everyone. His house has always been open to all of his community, and he is a true talmud chachom. i spoke with him about the comment made "that he knew of something and nothing was said", this is not true. knowing shmuel, if someone were to call up before he and janie were getting married and say "he is not a ben torah" what would you think? We all thought that ment he wasn't like his parents. Yes he had the yeshivish backround but chose a different level of yiddishkeit. Why would we think that this ment he was a CHILD MOLESTER???? Why should the rav have looked for what we all thought was 100% pure Lashon Hara???
Then to say "that people here knew..." His wife, his children, his in laws, brother in laws and sister n laws all DID NOT know about it... That i can tell you!!! Everyone knew that he had a hand in everything... So what? Does that mean he was a bad person?
He knew alot and therefore when something was needed we knew we could always turn to shmuel for the right answers. He was a wonderful asset to the shul. Forget the fundraising aspect. Money is NOT everything (at least here in Savannah). He set forth goals for the shul that no others in the past had been able to think of or accomplish. HE did alot for this community (for the positive)...
Now in terms of what we now know it has hit us like a pound of bricks!!! At first most of us couldn't believe it! Our shmuel!!! Then when we found out what was going on behind the scenes when the children of certain age groups now and those whom are older that would have been of age when he first moved here and beyond were asked has shmuel ever touched or did anything inappropriate while you were around... When we found out just how many of our precious youth whom we have managed to shelter all this time from all of todays shmutz (drugs, alcohol, cigarettes and more...) we found out that this was something we couldn't have sheltered them from BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS EVEN AN ISSUE IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY!!!
But savannah did not sit back like you might have thought. Savannah immediately gave the parents of the entire community a class on how to talk to our children to find out if they were harmed... how to handle the situation and to help guide us for the proper counceling that different people might need... and most important how in the future to talk to our children to prevent something like this from ever happening again! The children in the day school have been given the "Good Touch/Bad Touch program from the ages of 4y and up thru the 8th grade. We have not sat back and kept quiet. the jewish services of savannah thru the jea continue to have classes for parents not only from this kind of preditor, but for internet preditors as well...
We have been hit hard. Here was a man that we thought that we knew and loved. When our children come home and ask us "when is Hillel's daddy coming home?" It breaks my heart, and it should break yours too. Janie is a wonderful person, a true tzadekes! She has perfected so many of her character traits, and we look up to her. Her life for whatever Hashem's reasons has sent her on a difficult path and we must remember to be there for her and her children. She is a strong woman and with Hashem's help will get through this insane and unimaginable situation.
So please, stop the savannah bashing!
Concentrate on what the blog is all about and that is to bring the "survivors" to our attention so that they can get the help that they need, and that we can learn more about how to keep shmuel and others like him away from our children.
I think that who ever runs this blog should cut off the discussion of YK. I think enough has been said.
Aren't there other individuals we should all be concerned about?
What kinds of things can we do to make our community safer?
Does anyone know anything about the rapist in our community?
Has he been found yet?
Has he raped anyone else?
This, indeed is sad and unfortunate. But even more tragic is the fact that here, on erev shavuot, we here in Savannah cannot stop spewing out the lashon hara. Perhaps it is a simply a punishment long overdue.
to Words of Wisdom said...
Why should we cut off the discussion of YK? Why do you say that enough has been said??? Do you know that the allegations against YK are TOTALY false???????? I think that not enough has been said!!! Let's not cover up this story and wake up in five years because thats EXACTLY what happened with SJ. No one wanted to talk about it, it was covered up and hush hush.. So how dare you say that we should cut off the discussion of YK???? Either you are an idiot, or you are YK or his family..
Aren't there other individuals we should all be concerned about?
I am new to this site. who is YK?
Person with "the simple solution" who responded to the person who said--- "I've just read through all the posts and I'm sorry, but I don't see anything negative aboout Savannah."
First, writing about Savannah and discussing subjects regarding this incident in Savannah is quite necessary. Moreover, discussing whether the Rabbi reacted in the appropriate manner is exactly what it appears to be- a relevant discussion. Just because every post does not praise Savannah does not mean that it is a bashing remark or off subject. At the end of this ordeal Savannah will come away knowing that it handled some aspects of the situation correctly and that there are other areas in which it was not quite up to snuff. I do not think that any city confronting these ordeals knows exactly how to handle them as effectively as possible.
Unfortunately, you did not end your post by just making that one point. Instead, you thought that you were witty and you tried to throw a last second punch----" It is people like you who take the focus off the real issues here and it is a simple solution. Learn how to read."
Unfortunately, I cannot help myself and I must poke at your folly. Perhaps you meant to write "there is a simple solution" instead of "it is a simple solution." What does "it is" mean? I think I have a solution for you: Before you try being obnoxious and analyzing a healthy discussion that has provided many people with loads of important information- LEARN HOW TO WRITE! Then you can come back and educate all of us as to how to read.
The majority of the Savannah comments were not inappropriate. If this incident happened in another city then people would ask the same questions. Why should Savannah be treated any different? The only imappropriate Savannah threads I recall were the ones that unjustly attacked the wonderfully generous Savannah family that welcomed Shmuel into their family with open arms. That was wrong. Neither the Garfunkels or Janie should ever have been attacked.
I sincerely hope that this blog continues the healthy discussion and to ask any tough questions related to this matter-even if Savannah is not perfect in every post.
"What about the non-frum rapist"? You mean the rapist that the Baltimore Jewish Times immediately wrote an article about because it did not involve a frum person? I am just wondering why they have not written about Shmuel yet. Phil Jacobs said he needs real evidence before he writes stories. Well, that rape was not based on hard evidence. You want hard evidence? There is hard evidence that Shmuel mailed three halves of $100 dollar bills to Alabama so that he could have sex with young boys. There is hard evidence that he is in jail and is facing a serious punishment. PUBLISH THAT!
Bravo for the last two posts.After reading all the posts, I don't find any Savannah bashing. I really take exception to one poster that seems to adore there beloved Shmuel.Not everyone in the community loved Shmuel. Many people saw through this person beginning in 2001 when his security license was taken away for
misconduct. I don't know to many brokers whose license has been taken away. This was one slick crook, and was conning the community. Many people found juravel to be an obnious social climbing person, not real. It turns out that he is evil personified. That's real.
To say that he did things for the Shul that no one ever thought of..that's abit of a stretch. This Shul has been around long before and will be around long after juravel. We've had many wonderful Presidents and leaders. I saw nothing great about this jurival except a fast talking,dishonest person,who wanted to control everything he came in contact with INCLUDING THE CHILDREN !
A young puck kid, who came on quick and left even quicker,BH.
Does you know if anyone actually went to the authorities about YK? Is he being investigated? He should be.
First I want to say that I don't believe name calling is going to get you very far.
I never said that I thought the allegations against YK were totally false. What I believe is that we should let the Baltimore Police department handle the investigation of all the allegations.
If you believe a crime has been committed let the police do their thing.
I understand that everyone is very upset with what has happened. I understand that people feel responsible for not doing more to to stop Shmuel Juravel. We all feel guilty for what his wife is faced with. We all are concerned with what will happen to her and her beautiful children.
I'm sure everyone who is reading this blog believe that all of the survivors of Shmuel deserve their day in court. They also deserve to be compensated for all their pain and suffering.
I'm not at all suggesting to hush things up. What I am suggesting is that we don't try to take matters into our own hands. I don't think we should all become vigilantes.
I also have very strong feelings that rabbis Heinneman, Hopfer and Neuberger should NOT be covering up or handling YK. All information should be turned over to the Baltimore Police. Let their detectives do the investigating.
I also strongly urge everybody who was abused by YK should go to the police ASAP and file a report.
"Unfortunately, I cannot help myself and I must poke at your folly."
It's time to stop the name calling and poking fun at others.
when someone acts like a bully it just shows the world what a little person the bully really is.
let's act like adults here. We have some very serious problems that need to be addressed. It's time we handle them as the respectable adults we all really are.
For the poster that says that he takes objection to the comment that we are all to blame, I made the comment.
When someone is a victim, it is not helpful to bring all of their faults to light. Individuals, institutions, and communities can and are victims.
The libelous statement "most in the shul talk" has nothing to do with the SJ case and is harmful.
If mistakes were made, and they were, then people corrected them, we need to focus on the positive actions.
We have this problem because victims, whether individuals or institutions don't feel safe to report. If reporting will open themselves up to all kinds of scrutiny, criticism and slander, then vitims will be less likely to report.
Those who are attempting to be positive and encouraging of positive action are part of the solution.
You, with your insistence on using this event to justify all kinds of negative comments are a major part of the problem. You make it less likely that victims will do what is necessary to lock these people up for good.
If your actions makes it harder for a victim to take positive steps to report and support a prosecution, you make it more likely victims won't. If victims don't take these steps, offenders will still be out to do it again.
You may be upset to hear it. (It is interesting that you want criticism of others but not yourself.) However, your attitude is precisely what creates the environment that lets another SJ do it to someone else. This makes YOU and those like YOU an enabler and a major part of the problem.
I'm the person that said I take exception with your comments..I don't take any blame for juravel's actions. And you know what, I still don't. If you want to take blame, go right ahead. Carry that on your shoulders. Perhaps you will find something good to say about the pervert. I can't !
He is evil personified and I simply won't accept him. I don't feel sorry for this person. You can be as nice as you want, no problem from me. But from me, I hope he gets a very harsh sentence.
The Baal Shem Tov said many years ago that G-d Doesnt judge someone until the person himself agrees to his own sentence. Many will ask whatt are you talking about?
I know Sam did this himself from a few situatons with him.
We see king david did this himself when the Prophet Nasan came to him and put a Hipothetical case
in front of him in which david
made a quick judgement.
because of this david was judged harshly because he decided his own
judgement.
KNow one who judges other men is signing their own sentence.
Be careful where you judge .
Judgement is for G-d!
This Blog is for fixing not Breaking.
Dont be so quick to reply it just shows your own faults.
You have been doing it over and over on this blog.H-shem Yirachem
al kol Poshei am Yisrael.
There was a Reason why Neilah of Yom Kippur there was great crying in the Shul in Savannah.
H-shem Yiracheim.
PS - There is Room to fix as long as it doesnt create even greater Damage.
What the heck are you talking, er, rambling about?
Yaakovshalom: you write, "I know Sam did this himself from a few situations with him".
What does that mean ?
Your posting tells us not to judge.
Were you aware of Sam's actions and chose not to do anythng about it ? Is that what you mean when you say "from a few situations with him". Please clarify your statement.
On another note, if Juravel is found guilty, I would trust the court to "judge him" with the approate sentence. No sentence will overcome the damage he did to the children. Hashem will judge him but so will we.
shut the f#@* up! nobody wants to hear your "holier than thou" psyco-babble. it makes you guilty of what you are preaching! you are judging us for judging him! i don't usually go for the name calling bit, but in your case i'll make an exception...shove your hypocrital, ignorant, vain,superior attitude up your a#@ and go someplace else!
You bet I'm going to judge Juravel.
On the lastest incident (the one he got caught at) he cut 3 $100.00 bills in half,sent them off as a token of his will to get the kids.
He flew to Altamta,drove to Birmingham,had all his stuff ready for "his kids" and then got caught.
You bet I'm going to judge him.
Send him away, lock him up for along time.Juravel does not belong in our society, that is my judgement.
Everyone in Savannah should calm down..we have not one but two Kosher Krispy Kream donut places in town. Everything is fine. A box for you to eat away your troubles and a box to serve my family for dinner. Life is good, juravel or no juravel. I wonder if he gets to have a krispy kream in jail..I'd only give him the plain kind..He did bad so I'd hold back the choc.glazed.No krispy kreams for you shmuel,hopefully for the next 30 years.
what idiots! "krispy cream donuts... jurval or no jurval..." you are in complete denial!! ofcourse life should be good if you can keep the "juravels" out of our communities! No wonder there are people like juravel everywhere - go around and keep eating your donuts and get fat and be in denial and i wouldln't be surprised if a few more juravels show up. savanah has every right not to calm down. their community was inflicted with a terrible terrible pain that some people never even knew exists!! and in our close knit extended families!!!! gosh! such idiots! besides this child molestor should be locked for LIFE plus! not just 30 years you pitiful donut eater. remember that the torah says that he who has "rachamim" on the cruel ones will end up being cruel to those that need "rachamim." stop pitying this horrible horrible piece of dirt that deserves pure agony for the absolute devastation he has caused, you fat donut eater!
The Bitter will stay Bitter.
The ones who are interested in rebuilding the world was made for you.
I wish you much continued succes.
For the person who said you knew from a few things before Sam was caught, how did you know?
Is there something the rest of us need to look for? I want to learn what to look for.
Why did you not report your suspicions to law enforcement before? (Not as an accusation but to better know why people don't report.)
Please contact the FBI with your information now. When it comes time for sentencing, the more information that the US Attorney has to show a pattern of this behavior, the stronger the sentence is likely to be. Rather than ranting for a longer sentence as some have, you can help make the sentence longer.
Its definately important to rebuild the world but don't be stupid... they say ignorance is bliss and to a certain extent there is truth to it, donut eater. But todays world is not what it used to be. There are crazy and sick people out there. We do need to learn boundaries, otherwise this stuff can make you crazy. But don't be blind and go eating donuts to supress the painful truth. May we all have success in rebuilding this world, our communities, and our families. Amen.
From Birmingham..... the case is scheduled to begin here on July 10. The defendant is being reprsented by Jim Sturdivant, a prominent attorney ........
juravel = Krispy Kreme donut.
they are both bad. they may look good and menshilach though. just a big white sick donut with glaze and lots of pretty sprinkles on top... unfortunately there is a bashert little munchkin... And that only means tzaros for our kinderlach and the rest of us klal yisroel. but boruch hashem today there exists several Dunkin Donuts in our kehila who are willing to sit on the front lines battling Krispy Kremes(KK)which arent that much worse than YK. Keep those munchkins safe. baltimore seems to swallow donuts with the poor little munchkin inside. and then the rabonim go ahead and give KK's hechshairim??!!
I wish someone could explain to me how Juravel who left his wife and children penniless and is guilty as hell is able to afford a very and let me say it again, VERY, expensive lawyer. I would like to know who is giving him this money! The family and the survivors of his atrocities get nothing, knowing that some shyster lawyer might be able to negotiate for him a lesser sentence on some technicality!!!!!! What a CRIME!!!!! Don't you know he is guilty, look at all the people he has molested but are afraid of having to get up in court and testify, we are talking about children!!!! Not that I am trying to tell someone where to put forth their money and efforts , but if they knew all the evil that he did, wouldn't they rather help the ones that were hurt by him instead of helping Juravel get OFf!!!
I'm in total agreement with the poster. Where is this kid getting the money. Who in their right mind would want to help this pervert,who have caused untold grief to the family and combined communities of Savannah and Baltimore. And to defend this person..makes me ill.
If you get off shmuel,don't come back to Savannah. Your not welcome!
Hopefully juravel will never get off,even if he get's off. His actions will follow him the rest of his life. Wherever he goes, someone will make sure that the community, employers, associates, people know about this pervert.He will always be a stranger amoung us. He's not welcome here,there or any where for the rest of his pitifull life.
I hear your anger... I feel your anger... I am LIVID. This isn't only Juravel. Unfortunately this is how the kehilla is run. First of all the man is always and i repeat ALWAYS right according to the rabbonim. They may listen and "sympathize" but there is no justice ever for the woman or children. I grew up in Baltimore and I know how things work there. I have been through a very similar situation where it was COMPLETELY obvious that the man was wrong. He even confessed!!! and yet he was let off!! They are a mafia. a big mafia. bottom- line. It would not surprise me if Juravel not only gets a lighter sentence but completely walks away. and yes his poor wife will suffer for the rest of her life because that is what baltimore does to the woman. thats what frum rabbis and the kehilla do to the woman. they don't care. and just watch this scenario unfold - next step Juravel will be a frum frum yid and go learn in kollel and will be accepted in the community and will even be paid for sitting in kollel. because he will "repent" and he will be forgiven and everything forgotten. and us here fuming and ranting will be stuck without breathe, heaving in pain and anger over total injustice. and thats your american legal system mixed with the frum mafia. i pray for janie, i pray for those poor children.
ps you'll see he will even get visitation!
thats democracy, man.
sick.sick.sick.sick
Yup, he is got the most EXCELLENT lawyer. What did you expect from Baltimore mafia? anything less than excellent for R' Juravels son?
"Jim Sturdivant's demonstrated strengths is his proven track record of successfully negotiating with federal prosecutors in persuading them not to indict or charge his clients, or to otherwise abandon areas of inquiry. Another area of success has been in his ability to obtain reduced sentences, including mere probation (both with and without the support of federal prosecutors) under the complex Federal Sentencing Guidelines. (Federal sentencing is itself a distinct and highly complex area where effective advocacy can make an enormous difference in the type of sentence a client ultimately receives.) In the area of DUI and misdemeanor defense, Jim has had marked success in obtaining dismissals or deferred prosecution agreements for his clients. Jim has had extensive state and federal court jury trial experience, as both a federal and municipal court prosecutor, and as a defense attorney in criminal and civil cases. In addition to his federal prosecution experience, Jim served as City Prosecutor for Vestavia Hills, Alabama from 2000 until 2004, and is also currently a Special Municipal Court Judge for the City of Jasper, Alabama."
And there you have it y'all.
the kehilla, the rabbonim, once again prove themselves... and someone was waiting for a statement, or an article from JT... they are going to pretend NOTHING wrong happened... as usual. poor janie, poor kids.
By the way - how do you know he is so guilty? Have you ever seen him molest anyone with your eyes?
Has he molested you? The majority of the commentors on this blog act as the prosecutor, attorney, jury and judge. He has already been convicted. Though his case seems very convincingly bad, Rabbi Eisgrau's (for example) does not. All the comments here are 100% beyond positive that Rabbi Eisgrau is guilty. I personally do not agree. I believe the accusations about him were made by a very troubled young girl (his daughter) trying to "get him" and in today's society people trying to "get somebody" say and make up things - especially young people. Take it easy on your rhetoric! You're not allowed to believe loshon hora, though you are obligated to be "choshesh" and take steps to be cautious - just in case the accusations are true. When you write like this, you make yourselves sound childish and the points you are trying to make become silly.
I am sure Shmuel's wife and children are not penniless and are being well provided for.
"I personally do not agree. I believe the accusations about him were made by a very troubled young girl (his daughter) trying to "get him" and in today's society people trying to "get somebody" say and make up things - especially young people."
I hate to tell you that the only problem that the Eisgrau survivor had besides being abused as a child, was being neglected by the Baltimore community when she was crying out for help.
I could also be considered "disturbed". I'm very disturbed at the ignorance of the rabbis of Baltimore and those who blindly follow their every word.
The person who should have been shunned was eliezer eisgrau and not a teenager.
The community in Baltimore has serious problems that need to be addressed.
Baltimore and Savannah will never be fixed. The controlling few in the frum community can't or don't want to see the problems. Your speaking about their power base, which in ture generates money for the click. The board meeting at the respective shuls are nothing but a rubber stamp to the "executive board" that meets before the regular meeting..the sheep that follow in the board meeting..well their sheep..the bbj board is a stacked board ; several members belonging to the same family, fathers,son,grandsons,cousins,all related. An inner circle. One that jurival was trying to break into,aspiring to "belong" and control. May he serve as long time in prison although I doubt if prison will "reform" him.
Limitations to Maryland's Sex Offenders Registry
Be aware of the limitations of the Maryland Sex Offenders Registry. Only 2% of people who commit sex offenses are ever convicted and imprisoned. This means that the 98% of people who sexually offend, abuse or rape elude conviction, continue to live, work, and play in our communities. To avoid this significant truth is to create a false sense of safety and foster an atmosphere of denial.
In addition to the small number of convictions of people who commit these crimes, a vast proportion of sexual offenses go unnoticed because they are not recognized as such, and/or the person who was victimized is not able or decides not to report the crime to the legal system.
Sources:
United States Senate Judiciary Committee. (1993). Conviction and Imprisonment Statistics
Warshaw, R. (1988). I Never Called it Rape. Harper and Row Publishers. New York, NY
Tjaden P. and Thoennes, N. (1998). "Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings From the National Violence Against Women Survey." In Research in Brief Series. U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services. Washington., D.C.
I just found out about a fact which is very disturbing. YK became "frum" about a year ago and then he went and married the babysitter. Of course since he's now frum and a black hatter who davens in a yeshivish crowd, he must have done teshuva and there's nothing wrong with the fact that he married the babysitter nor is there anything else thats wrong with him now. We must believe that! A man can change. just go look at YK. He looks like a yeshiveshe yungeleit. He goes to minyan, he learns in the kollel and he supports good causes in Baltimore. So people please STOP. Isn't it OBVIOUS that ALL the allegations against YK are TOTALY false?????
Well if you are a rabbi or if you are sleeping then your answer will be be of course! But if you are wide awake you might start thinking and ask yourself: Is YK celebrating Purim 365 days a year?? Just because he is "frum" and he wears a black hat doesnt mean anything!!! We see that there are people out there that behave in a frum and yeshivish way and then we find out that they are molesters. And we say: Why couldn't we see behind thier mask. YK just put on the black hat. So please I beg you, we must find out if it's just a nice mask. We need to that because the rabbi's in baltimore wont. They dont relize that some people celebrate purim 365 days a year and could put up a GREAT act.
how did shmuel afford such a good lawyer?
most likely the "rabbi's" and the inner circle got together to pay for the lawyer in hopes that Shmuel won't talk about all he knows. I'm quite sure a lot of people are just plain scared about what he has to say. Just my opinion,but let's face it, they covered up for him in the past; why should this be any different.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil and please protect me !
knowing juravel, he most likely had some cash stashed away some place.He was always thinking about all the angles..He even knew how to "sneek" his suits in the house,knowing that his wife would get angry if he came home with "6 more suits". I wonder what happened to all the suits ? I hope he doesn't have a need for them in the near future.
Speaking sexually explicitly to real teens on the Internet is called "solicitation" and "enticement" and is not fantasy- it is a federal crime and a crime in many states as well. The Internet is federal jurisdiction as well as state jurisdiction. The federal Age of Consent is 18 or older. In many cases it is illegal to speak sexually explicitly with a child; certainly in many states and federally it is illegal to transmit pornographic naked pictures of one's self masturbating to a minor or one whom one believes is a minor- it does harm a child to view this material, and in many states the chatlog alone is sufficient circumstancial evidence for a felony conviction, without any actual overt intent nor significant steps taken towards a meeting with the child for sex.
How can it be fantasy when they believe they are talking illegally with a REAL child for sexual gratification and enticement? These men "groom" children for sex, prostituition, pornography, abduction, sometimes the grooming chats occur over months and years, and then results in the perv gaining the child's trust, for a rape, an abduction, or for the creation of child porn or worse. Do NOT minimize the illegality and the immorality of the acts of harm these men intend to cause to children by their alleged fantasies that are really NOT fantasies but communications towards enticement. Child rape is not a fantasy and the harmful effects can last a lifetime- every child porn image is a rape victim and the children are re-victimized with each trade of that image- because children cannot consent to sex and the child porn black market business fuels the rape, abduction, maiming, and killing of thousands of children world wide each year for the sake of YOUR alleged fantasies and selfish cowardly orgasms that "were harmless, doing harm only to themselves" /sarcasm!
It is not the children luring the pervs, it is always the adults who have the upper hand. I save my sympathy for those who cannot, who cannot be expected to know better, by law and by reason- the children.
Given a choice - free speech for adults talk dirty to kids and pretend it is fantasy vs Child Rape?
I choose to protect the children!
Child predators count upon the enabling view that the anonymous commenter posted. Following his advice would be stupid and harmful to both children and adults.
I would not trust a child in the care of ANY man that would speak to a child in the manner of these men. I would not trust a single one with his own child either, of the 800+ men that Perverted-Justice has busted online over the last two years, not one was innocent- they all premeditated their crimes and many are beginning to be processed through the judicial system. They all need to be convicted registered sex offenders and locked up away from children. Let them get their counseling from a jail cell.
Just read a few ROR's ("Right of Reply") and you will see that they all claim the same things- ANYTHING to try and gain sympathy and they are only sorry that they got caught! 1) "It wasn't me, I was hacked." 2) "I was roleplaying fantasizing, never intended to meet" 3)I never thought of doing something like this, it was my first time" We get these from EVERY busted perv even the previously convicted child sex predators on bond or parole for doing the same thing last week.
Once they are on the INTERNET talking to someone they believe is a child, then this ceases to be "thought" and becomes enticement. If they are fantasizing why do they give out their cell phone numbers and mapqwest directions? They are accessing risk everytime they ask the kid about their parents jobs and schedules and siblings, etc.
Enticement of someone under the age of 18 by an adult at least 3 years of age older, carries a minimum 5 year sentence in federal prison. Keep your pervy speech in your head and go get help for your problem. Our children are NOT on the INTERNET prowling for pervs but, I guarantee you- we are.
Respectfully,
Intelec
For those who receive signals for the Baltimore TV market, Fox TV 45 is doing a feature story on why Maryland does not pass legislation to protect children this coming Monday, June 12th at 10 pm.
It is expected to be a 3-5 minute piece. I think the MD legislature is starting to get the idea that this is not going to go away.
The Juravel trial is scheduled to open July 10,2006. I hope the Baltimore and Savannah Newspapers cover the story. I also hope that a deal was not made and this person juravel gets off on probation. Every act he did was premeditated..every move he made he was aware of. He is evil personified and needs to be dealt
with..No deals, No "I'm sorry"..
Get him off the street,out of the communities,away from our children and his own as well.
Defender said that the accusations made by Rabbi Eisgraus daughter were made up in an effort to get him. Defender then admonished us on the laws of lashon-hara. Hasn't defender just done what (s)he teels us not to do? Is defender so knowledgeable of this situation that we can say that the daughter had it in for her father and her intent weas to hurt him? Hasn't she just been (unfairly) judged by someone without any knowlede of the facts? Go back and re-learn the halacha.
word here in birmingham is that a plea is being put forth in exchange for information. hasn't anyone in savannah reported this guy? if he gets off lightly , the folks there have only themselves to blame.
Yes, many have come forward. For the record, an entire community cannot make a judges decision for him/her. To say, "if he gets off lightly , the folks there have only themselves to blame." A man less than two months ago was NOT sent to prison for molestation because the judge felt he was TOO short and would be in too much danger in jail. One cannot blame any group for a plea, sentencing, or how a judge feels or thinks at that particular time. Please do not keep blaming the victims. Your comment was plain rude and ignorant.
My prediction...
He gets off with minimal jail time or probation.
He becomes "Persona non grata" in Savannah.
He holds his wife's "GET" over her head in exchange for a big money settlement from her family who will have little choice but to pay.
He disappears or finds a safe haven in Baltimore.
I can't believe no one has raised the get issue before. I can virtually GUARANTEE that Juravel goes from this blog to one about recalcitrant husbands who refuse to grant their wives a divorce.
There is just too much money in it for him to pass it up and little other way out for his wife.
The last comment was 100% correct. It is important for all victims to report their information to the FBI. Whether those victims are in Savannah, Baltimore, or somewhere else. If we want to make sure that SJ is not able to hurt any of our children, we must provide the information to lock him up for a long time.
If anyone wants to be part of the solution, that person should get our support and encouragement. We must support all that report.
from nashville -- why have no parents of the victims of these kids in savannah(if there really are any) stepped forward to serve as character witnesses in this case if they truly want to see this guy put away?
Juravel is a scumbag, but he already gave his wife a get from prison. They are divorced.
Can someone confirm that Shmuel Juravel indeed gave his wife a get?
Savannahians?
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