Is The Jewish Community Of Baltimore Protecting Sex Offenders or Backing Innocent Men Falsely Accused?
Let's talk about a few individuals in Baltimore.
Let's start off with Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau. Read up about him at:
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/eliezer_eisgrau.htm
One of Eisgrau's biggest supporters is Rabbi Yaakov Menken (owner of www.torah.org).
Read what Luke wrote about him at:
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/yaakov_menken.htm
Let's start off with Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau. Read up about him at:
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/eliezer_eisgrau.htm
One of Eisgrau's biggest supporters is Rabbi Yaakov Menken (owner of www.torah.org).
Read what Luke wrote about him at:
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/yaakov_menken.htm
posted by Jewish Survivors at Monday, February 07, 2005
13 Comments:
I'm sorry, the Awareness Center piece is simply not credible. All they have is accusations. Just because someone accuses another person doesn't make him guilty. These people are vigilantes, who will destroy a person's life because of an accusation.
I now took a look at Ford's profile on Y. Menken. On absolutely no evidence, he pretty much accuses Menken of taking advantage of the young women he employs. And you cite him as an authority. Disgusting!
"We both require a baseline of documented information before we name people."
Well, what's your baseline for documented info? Is the mere fact that someone wrote an accusation in a letter enough? Do you need an affidavit? A news story? What documented info is there in Eisgrau's case?
"Luke has been very accurate and careful with his words concerning the troubling allegation involved."
The fact that Ford knows how to choose his words carefully so as to avoid legal liability is meaningless. There are plenty of ways to imply things without saying them.
" It is sufficient to say that Menken will not be suing Luke anytime soon ... I am satisfied that if this ever came to a civil suit, Luke would have no problem winning."
So what if Menken didn't sue Ford? There could be lots of reasons for that; for example, he might feel that the damage to his reputation that would result from the charges being aired in court would outweigh whatever he would gain by suing (which, seeing that Ford is usually penniless, would be minimal).
As Ray Donovan (I think) said, after being acquitted on charges of corruption: "Where do I go to get my reputation back?"
Luke as much as said that the man is a sexual abuser. If the evidence is credible, let him post it. If not, he shouldn't say anything at all. As it stands, this is nothing more than dealing in vicious rumor.
And by the way, has this met your "baseline" criteria of documented evidence? I suspect not. Yet, you do not shrink from attacking the man.
The following is from the Awareness Center's own posted policy:
"Please note, the only individuals who are listed on our site, are ones who'd had allegations made against them which were then published in reputable newspapers, have transcripts from televisions shows where the case(s) have been discussed, have police records and/or we have court documentation regarding the case."
They tend to break this policy all the time (Eisgrau is just one blatant example), which is why it's impossible to respect what they're doing, and probably one of the many reasons why the AC's board members have been resigning in droves.
I find it interesting that this site has deleted the post raising questions regarding Luke Ford. Ford too deleted his post referencing it from his site.
No doubt Ford (or JWB) asked for it to be removed (or perhaps this is actually their site). They dish it out all the time, but are allergic to criticism themselves.
“Actually, there is one basic reason Menken doesn't sue: every word is the truth.”
Documentation, please?
“ A credible written statement from a victim, a police investigation and statements as to non-cooperation by the Jewish community.”
A written statement from a victim is not independent documentation. If that’s your standard, it’s pathetic. The police investigation was inconclusive, and so cannot serve as proof. Non-cooperation by the community is not proof of anything. You indict yourself with your very defense.
“Anything you believe Luke has implied about Menken is accurate and true and further, it can all be established if necessary in a court of law.”
I repeat, is it confirmed by *independent* documentation? If not, you have violated what you claim are your own guidelines.
“There is also additional information which I won't get into at this time.”
Because it doesn’t exist. If it did, and it was definitive, Eisgrau would be in jail.
“ As usual, you demonstrate your hypocrisy. You demand documentation and proof yet you make spurious allegations that you know aren't true and that you could never prove.”
I’m not the one claiming documented information as a standard of proof. You are. I’m simply holding you to your own statements, which so far seem empty.
Anyone who's followed Jewish Whistleblower since the Protocols (ME) days realizes the utter futility of trying to turn them around with a cogent argument. JWB lives by their own inherent twisted logic consisting of "I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot", and will spend countless hours fanatically tearing apart every point of disagreement (usually in ways that make no sense whatsoever).
Let's face it, you can't win when you're dealing with a crazy person who's on a "righteous mission" and has nothing better to do with their time than tear people down.
Luckily, it's pretty transparent to intelligent readers what's going with here, so don't give up making those logical arguments! JWB will never get it, but we do!
Just curious, why *did* you remove the post on Luke Ford?
"I'm curious as to what kind of "independent documentation" I need?"
The point is that the statement of an alleged victim is not sufficient. Just because you choose to believe the victim (perhaps because of some bias you have?) does not make the story true, and does not give you the right to smear people.
False claims usually come to the surface fairly quickly.
And as all people who've been victimized know, it is hell to come forward with what happened to you, it is no piece of cake, it's anxiety-inducing....it's almost as bad as the victimization itself.
Actually, false allegations of sexual abuse and rape are more common than most people are aware.
See http://www.menweb.org/throop/falsereport/adult.html.
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