Monday, August 07, 2006

Thread #13 - Case of Shmuel Juravel (AKA: Samuel Juravel)


Due to my lack of knowledge in how to get a pdf file up on a blog I forward the two files to The Awareness Center who put the information up on their page on Shmuel Juravel.
  1. U.S. District Court - Criminal Docket for Case (03/29/2006)

  2. Court Document - Magistrate Judge's Report and Recommendations (06/07/2006)


Below is the dialog I had with the individual who sent the files to me.
Q. "can I ask you how you obtained this document?"

A. I am a ___________ and I obtained the document via legal channels.

Q. "also I noticed there is no signature or official stamp on it."

A. You will note that the Court's stamp is on the top right-hand side of the first page, and Magistrate Judge Ott's signature is on page 31.

Q. "Can I find this document on line to verify it is authentic?"

A. Unless you are an attorney, there is no way for you to obtain this document on-line. You can always go down to the clerk's office and make a copy or call the clerk's office and ask them for the number of a copy service who could pull the document, make a copy, and fax it to you. This would be expensive.

I have attached a copy of the docket sheet for the case for your review. You will note that the document which I sent you yesterday is referenced as document number 28. This docket sheet is where I obtained the information which I posted earlier (last few months) regarding the postponement of the trial date (in reference to no plea agreement being reached) and the addition ofBobby Issacson as counsel for Mr. Juravel. Should you need further authentication, I would suggest that you call the clerk's office or the U.S. Attorney's office and ask some questions about the Report and Recommendation (such as whether objections were filed (doc no 31) or whether Judge Coogler accepted Magistrate Judge Ott's report and recommendation (he did -- doc no 37).
This is a continuation of the conversation of Shmuel Juravel from Thread #12, the discussion will continue here on Thread #13.

Also be aware of this new thread: Unorthodox Jew Takes on The Torah Institute of Baltimore

51 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people would do well at a public execution cheering on the executioner as he swings his ax. You should watch the final scene in "Braveheart" and take a good look at yourselves you vengeful people. Wanting justice is fine and admirable. Waiting with your popcorn and sodas for a trial is just sick.

I also hope that justice is served and that healing takes place for the survivors, but am not clamoring as you people.

August 07, 2006 9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you are a bunch of heartless cannibals-out for blood! first of all, SJ never did anything in birmingham; he was caught attempting to;no harm came to anyone there. secondly, I find it hard to believe that anything substantial was going on in savannah; IN SEVEN YEARS NOBODY SAID A WORD BECAUSE YOUR RABBI CERTAINLY DID NOTHING TO INTRERVENE. you folks simply have nothing betterto do with your time.

August 07, 2006 11:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To both of you new posters, one who wrote, "You people would do well at a public execution cheering on the executioner as he swings his ax" and "you are a bunch of heartless cannibals-out for blood!"shame on you.....all this does is validate how glad we all are that we do not live in your community. YOU have no clue about any of this. YOU have no idea what he did before he got caught. Unless you have any facts, which you both clearly do not, shut up!
No one here is heartless because if they were, which you stated, they would not care about the victims. DO YOU KNOW SHMUEL? I DO! I knew him well (I thought). He is no different than any of these other predators out there. He was just unlucky enough to get caught. Before you cast stones at our community or Rabbi, speak to some of these boys he violated during so-called Bar Mitzvah lessons, Shabbatons, trips to Charleston, etc. You have NO RIGHT judging us. YOu do not know any of us. Stay in Alabama where the Rednecks roam. There are certainly no predators there. If there was, and they molested your children, I can assure you MY community would not be verbally abusing you for wanting the perpretator to be punished. You either have no children or are the parent I tell my kids to stay away from:The Obliviously stupid one who is not there for their children when needed.

August 07, 2006 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The correct link for the Magistrate's report is http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/Juravel-MagistrateJudgesReportandRecommendation.pdf

August 07, 2006 3:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Savannah resident so bent on revenge:

Your desire is to control, to master, to see the offender suffer.

Shmuel's desire was to control, to master, as well.

On a psychological level, when it comes to exerting control, you are not so dissimilar.

I lived in Savannah and I know the people hurt. They are not clamoring and are quite disgusted by your primitive behavior.

Justice must be served, but revenge?

The Torah warns against it NOT because it denies justice, but because of the danger that revenge poses to the one who seeks it.

You and your anger need to see a counselor and soon. You have many issues to work out and much anger.

I sincerely hope you do not pass this on to your children or others in the community.

I don't know if the people who are looking for blood are from Savannah or not, but I lived there and know people there. And they are a kind and gentle people with dignity and respect.

Your desire for blood is a discredit to your and your lovely community.

August 07, 2006 6:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am in savannah. why was nothing reported if all of this was going on for so long?(I am no member of BBJ)

August 07, 2006 6:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just read all 31 pages including the footnotes of.....

The correct link for the Magistrate's report is http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/Juravel-MagistrateJudgesReportandRecommendation.pdf

Sam the Bastard will walk.

August 08, 2006 12:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The criticism is well taken.

August 08, 2006 8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

with all that the rabbi knew, why didn't he step in?

August 08, 2006 1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too consider SJ to be a friend. Why not post my name? Look what they have done to Bobby. I thank G-d SJ never touched my kids, but what he has is a SICKNESS. All of you who want to bury him in jail forever must surely believe that no murderer should be out of jail. How about bank robbers who steal our hard earned money? Hell why not put any wrong doer in jail foreever. Why don't you look into your own lives and turn yourselves in for ripping others off when you do a deal? Give me a break. I have heard that one family member took money to keep quiet. Is he now the one speaking the loudest to keep him in jail?

August 08, 2006 2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry that your friends with juravel. This must hurt you. I'm pleased that he never touched your son..would he still be your friend if he had ?
Of course it's a sickness. Most crime is !
Certainly you can't compare a business deal with child molestation. Even the criminals have a "code of ethics" .
Juravel premeditated his "sick" moves,over the years. Thank G-D that he finally got caught.
Punishment, you bet. Jail,you bet.
He knew better,just read his statements.
Again,I ask,would you be his friend if one of his victims were one of your children ?

August 08, 2006 7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have looked into my own life and no where can I find child molestation as a part of it.
How in the world can you compare a bank robber with a child molester ?

My husband used to do business with Shmuel when he was a stock broker. When he no longer could deal in stocks,my husband didn't call for jail time for him,he just stayed away from him and lost his trust ; BUT child molesting, that's a whole different ballgame.

August 08, 2006 7:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree; jail time is the just punishment for child molestation. However, I disagree with the amount of time being dealt with here. i can see 3-5 years; that is pretty severe. Unfortunately, SJ may well be looking at 15-20 years. this is absurdly extreme. after all, HE NEVER COMMITTED ANY SEXUAL MISDEEDS IN BIRMINGHAM ;HE ATTEMPTED TO HIRE SOME KIDS IN ORDER TO WATCH THEM PLAY WITH EACH OTHER-THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL CONTACT TO BE ATTAINED.is this deserving of more than 3-5 years in jail without parole? he was arrested in this sting without ever meeting with his hirees. we need to think mercifully towards SJ.

August 09, 2006 1:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tO THE POSTER WHO FEELS the punishment might not fit the crime.....did you read the court document? All 30 pages? I did. He had body glide and condoms with him. Come on! You cannot be that naive. The camera, porn,and dirty magazines might have not been intended for anything more than arousal....BUT the body glide, condoms (last I checked they were for a penis and protection)are true indicators he was planning contact. COME ON! I am not going to bash YOU for your opinion or tell you that you are an idiot. I just need you to go and read those 30 pages; all of them! When he lived here he bought all these toys that would lure young boys. Renting a HUMMER to drive to B'ham was another ploy to appear "cool" to young boys. How do you know all he wanted was to WATCH? Because that is what Shmuel said? Come on....If a man cheats on his wife many times and gets caught only once do you think he will confess to all the others if the wife only knows about one incident? Do you think he will say anything other than "This was my first time. I was not even going to have sex. I just wanted the excitement of an affair?" SHMUEL did not lie to his family and leave town, spend all the time researching this Craigslist.com, make a plan with "Bobby" the undercover agent, pick out ONE boy with one on reserve, take all that stuff, send that money, FLY to Atlanta, rent a car that had to cost LOTS of money, meet in a seedy motel just to watch ONE young boy masterbate. He could have used the gay porn he admitted to having in his interview with the FBI. He could have done that in his own home. Wake up here before you say he needs a couple years of punishment. Do I think he belongs in a FEDERAL prison with hardened criminals? NO! Do I think he needs to be side by side in a cell with a rapist? NO! Do I think he went there to rape a young boy for his own personal sexual gratification? HELL YES!

August 09, 2006 8:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have looked into my own life and no where can I find child molestation as a part of it."

So, the crimes you can relate to are okay?

August 09, 2006 8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait a minute. Shmuel says he only wanted to watch..I'm not sure that I believe him. After all, he has lied to family,friend,community ; lead a double life..was engaged in criminal activities,losing his stock brokers license, messed with the children in savannah and just because he says "gee,I only wanted to watch". That doesn't even ring of honesty. He had this planned,alot of planning,cutting the bills, mailing them off,flying to Atl,driving to Brmham just to "watch"..he sure fondled the children in savannah and your taking his word that he was just going to watch. An old and crude
expression, "A stiff D---,has not
conscience"..No,I think he knew exactly what he was going to do, and "just watching" wasn't in the plan.

August 09, 2006 8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You.are right; look what they have done to Bobby. Bobby, who is merely trying to be a friend in need, is receiving harsh criticism from everyone in the BBJ close-minded community. Face it- bobby is the only one with the courage to stand up for a friend. Bobby deserves praise for his dedication to justice, even if it entails being shunned or even ostracized in savannah.

August 09, 2006 9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There were no "hirees" they didn't exist, it was a sting operation.
Watch NBC.

August 09, 2006 11:02 AM  
Anonymous JustTheFacts said...

A Plea Change Hearing has been scheduled in Mr. Juravel's case for August 10, 2006 at 3:00pm. It appears that Mr. Juravel will be changing his plea of innocence, possibly as part of a plea bargain agreement.

August 09, 2006 12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The previous poster recommending '3-5 years' made some very good points,mainly that Bobby is performing his duties, both as an attorney and as a friend. This is quite praiseworthy. All of you folks in Savannah should behave like a mensch and give Bobby a pat on the baack and a handshake to show him your respect for his going out on a limb to be a friend in need. Here in Atlanta, the community was in shock about this whole situation. However, the vast majority of us feels that SJ should receive no more than 5 years and that period should be used constructively to get counseling for him. Don't forget, he is a Jew like all of us. Please have some mercy in your judgment; we all make mistakes.

August 09, 2006 1:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm not sure that I believe him."

Thinking the worst about a fellow Jew who has probably done teshuva in jail demonstrates the kind of person you are.

The facts are all that matter. He didn't rape anyone in Savannah or Birmingham. If the transcripts don't show clearly that he asked for more, you are trying to see him in the worst possible light which is not a credit to you. It may be the focus of this blog, to condemn and vilify and somehow that way achieve "closure," but you should ask a psychologist if that is best for you. Negativity doesn't accomplish anything positive. You should ask the rabbi if you can speak in Savannah. Bring a torch.

August 09, 2006 3:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask a psychologist if that is best for you? Wow! What a statement.

Anyway, everyone finds G-d in prison. SJ and the community needs for him to do time. Do I have a torch? No...just a sense of justice and pity for the victims and their families who have to live with SL's actions long after he leaves prison and is free again. They never will be, not totally.

August 09, 2006 4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The disgusting things that some of you are saying anger me so much. I cannot believe that someone had the nerve to go on a public blog and discuss what you don't know about my parents' relationship. I am so lucky that I have parents who unconditionally love me and my sisters, and, above all, eachother, very much. My mother and father may disagree at times, but they always support and respect eachother and try their hardest to do whatever they think is the right thing. They do not care about what others say or think, or about their reputation. And I am so, so sorry, but I do. I cannot let you talk about them when you have no idea what you are saying or how good of people you are gossiping about. The issue is Shmuel,and as black and white as you all seem to view his case, it is not a simple one. Whether or not you agree with what some people are doing in this community, they are still not the issue, he is.
-Lissy Isaacson

August 09, 2006 5:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The definitions of both rape and molestation are listed here. I mixed them up. I do not see a real difference.
1.the crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2.The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
1.abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
7.To disturb, interfere with, or annoy.
8.To subject to unwanted or improper sexual activity.

How can anyone in their right mind justify what this guy did? I am reading all these posts and am not sure why some of you are insistent on him getting a slap on the wrist. NO ONE, not me, of course, has any idea what he has done to anyone except for Shmuel and the victims. Quit trying to make it seem as if it is normal to want to watch young boys masterbate. Quit telling people to get therapy or seek help because they want him to pay for his crimes. I am Jewish. I do not wish anyone to be punished severely if they do not deserve it. Only Hashem and Shmuel know what REALLY happened. I do know, without any doubt, his intentions were to WATCH only after he captured it all on a camera, downloaded it to his laptop, and viewed it later. Whether he was going to participate is a no brainer to most intellegent people.

August 09, 2006 7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lissy, you poor thing. THERE are lots of us who do not feel this way about your father or your mother. We just choose to stay out of it completely. ANYONE who truly knows your parents KNOW they are fine, will be fine, and have raised great girls. Your parent's decision to help anyone is no ones business. Just know it is probably a few select people who are filled with a lot of hurt and anger posting these awful comments. You are a wonderful daughter for defending them as you have. This is about Shmuel Juravel and your father and mother's friendship with him is admirable to some. It does not mean we have to agree with what Shmuel has done or is accused of doing. Your folks should be evry proud of you. As a parent of all girls, I applaud you for having the courage and strength to speak up. I have been hoping someone from your family would say something. Some of us do not have the courage to speak on a public forum about things we know nothing about.

August 09, 2006 7:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"people you are gossiping about."

Right on.

That's what this blog is all about. and Wow! is in recovery.

Wow should seriously consider seeing a mental health professional for anger management.

August 09, 2006 7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is there really going to be a plea bargin tomorrow?

August 09, 2006 8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Probably done Teshuva in jail".

So what else is new ? Almost every criminal fnds "G-D" in jail
and asks to be forgiven. Looks good on their record. In other words, their Teshuva translates to be "Gee, I'm really sorry (that I got caught). Next time I'll be more carefull.

All the bleeding hearts for juravel must have forgotten,very quickly, of what he was attempting to do in Birmingham and what he did in Savannah. Had any of your children been involved, how quickly would you all forget ?

If the kid walks, all you "defenders" can have a party for him,even your children can be invited.

August 09, 2006 10:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who’s this Wow person and who’s the irrelevant idiot addressing Wow with nonsense? Let’s stick to what’s important.

August 09, 2006 11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"if the kid walks" it will be with a Federal record, punishment, and restrictions. He isn't the bogeyman they hoped he would be. Let's not forget he didn't do anything in Birmingham. His getting caught was a cry for help.

No help from you, we know. You really should speak to a therapist. The Awareness Center can help.

August 10, 2006 12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are many of us in Savannah that don't want SJ tortured. We are actually relieved that Bobby Isaacson is helping him.

However, we also want SJ locked up for a long time. We are afraid of what he may do to other kids including his own if he is let out.

We also don't want him to move on and do this to some other community.

If the sentence is not strong enough in Birmingham, there are several pending charges in Savannah ranging from fraud, to theft, to child molestation.

The main objective is keeping the community safe from him. Not revenge. This requires him to be locked up for a long time.

August 10, 2006 9:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Afraid of what he'll do to his own kids when he never did anything to his own kids? How realistic is that assumption?

So, people who years ago didn't charge him for fraud, now will, just to keep him in prison "to keep the community safe." Why isn't everyone who is charged with fraud kept in prison for life? Why are courts even willing to consider shorter than longer jail terms for molesters whose crimes have not been severe?

If every boss who sexually harassed a secretary would be charged with any crime just to make certain they are in jail for a long time, that would be convenient. He has never had a major scare before, never been really, really caught. You don't think getting caught, charged and punished impacts on someone's chances and incentive for self improvement? The reason first time offenders are treated lightly is because there is a chance of their rehabilitation before they become hardened criminals. You don't want him back. Ok. He did wrong, no question. But, to throw away the key "to protect his kids" is an exaggeration. You are thinking of yourselves. Ah yes, the children too, all children, the children of the world... But, what if he's never allowed to be around minors unsupervised anymore, must he spend most of his life in prison for groping and sex with a computer? Everyone is thinking of themselves. He, too, was selfish and self absorbed. The smug see only evil, simplistically in black and white. He's never had any counseling, never had a major scare. Do you really think he's completely evil? If this is his first offense, he's entitled to a second chance unless denied that by a jury of his peers. Let the jury decide. You aren't the court, even if in your own mind you control a world.

August 10, 2006 9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that the question : If your child had been molested or fondled by juravel,would you still be "his friend" or be defending him ?"

I find it interesting that none of the liberal thinking people, when asked that question have answered the question.

Would any of you defenders of Juravel, defend him if one of your children were molested or fondled.

Any one want to give a direct answer to that direct question.

Would any one of shmuels "friends"
defend him if one of there own were involved or raped by this person.
What's the answer ?

August 10, 2006 10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Afraid of what he'll do to his own kids when he never did anything to his own kids? How realistic is that assumption?"

His kids were not old enough yet to be in the range. If he is allowed any visitation at all, it could ultimately lead to unsupervised. It is realistic to believe that his kids are at great risk.

must he spend most of his life in prison for groping and sex with a computer? YES!!!!!!!!!!

Groping children is a serious offense. In Georgia, the law considers it a form of statuatory rape.

Computer sex has been used to lure kids into all kinds of destructive activities. SJ has proven he can do that or he would not be in prison.

I do agree to allow judges and juries to decide.

You want to risk being wrong by taking a chance that you hope he has been rehabilitated.

The problem is that you are asking other parents to risk their children on that chance.

SJ had a lot of us fooled. He is really a slick person. He is very convincing. He could fool others. Someone who has proven to be such a good liar would find it hard to be believed.

unwanted gropes are serious violations against adults and more serious against children.

Some in this community are out thousands of dollars due to his frauds and theft.

Your lack of acceptance of the seriousness of any of the charges is shocking.

Fortunately you are not the judge or a juror.

August 10, 2006 10:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person who said, "If this is his first offense, he's entitled to a second chance unless denied that by a jury of his peers." YOu should have said "the first time he got caught!" That is not synonomous with FIRST OFFENSE!I do not want him to rot in prison. I do not want him to be brutalized by rapists, nurderers and otehr hardened criminals. However, I am not naive enough to call what he did his FIRST OFFENSE.

August 10, 2006 10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I do really think he's completely evil. You’re very young, aren’t you?

August 10, 2006 2:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if there was a hearing today?

August 10, 2006 3:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask an attorney what first offense means.

Youth and age, what relevance do they have to his case? Are you implying the young are stupid? I may have a Jewish heart, but I am not stupid. He is not evil incarnate. Your vision is skewed by your negative experience. It has nothing to do with your eyesight or your age.

I understand the seriousness of the charges. If I were out thousands, would I want someone to be sentenced to life in prison? The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Let him pay back, but to make him sit alone for the rest of his days in maximum security seems out of proportion to the crime.

Molestation is a bad thing, no argument here. Let the courts decide his guilt and if you're good, you can bring the first stone.

August 10, 2006 7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still no answer from juravel's defenders.
I'll ask again: Would any of you come to his defense if he had molested or raped your children?
Would any of you still be his "friend" wanting to defend him?
Would any of you weant him out on the street again in the near future?
Would any of you allow him to be alone with your children ?

And yes, I as well think he is an evil person.

August 10, 2006 8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

juravel's offense wasn't a spur of the moment crime. He thought it out, worked at it, planned it. This was not a crime of passion, this was a premedated crime of evil. This guy knew what he was doing all the way. He knew he was breaking the law, knew this was wrong, and yet, he did it.
The defenders say he's sick, O.K., he's sick. So are other people that break the law or they wouldn't do it.
He needs to be locked up,seek treatment in jail and let his good friends visit him, although in a few years, they will forget all about him as the years go by and the friendship will go by the wayside. Wait and see.

August 10, 2006 9:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, I do really think he's completely evil. You’re very young, aren’t you?"

Another point which deserves to be made is the fact that in American society, people don't grow up the way they used to. Us old folks remember the good old days when boys went to work when they were twelve years old. America is different. Here, adolesence is extended. In Europe, by the time someone is eighteen, they can finish medical school. Here, college drags on. Young people aren't mature, and SJ certainly is not that.

There's no excusing what he is alleged to have done, but in addition to irresponsibility, immaturity is also part of his problem. Poor judgement, bad intentions, selfish thinking, he is guilty of all of these. Al Quaeda, he is not. That is evil incarnate.

August 10, 2006 9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who said to "Ask an attorney what first offense means".....Offense (law), a violation of the penal law.

As far as I can see, still, even with my dictionary, THIS WAS NOT HIS FIRST OFFENSE if he had lost his brokers license and committed fraud. You are so hell-bent on defending him WE are starting to believe you might be similiar to Shmuel. Justifying your private computer time, possible gay porn, or even just WATCHING. You sure are defeding him. You are the one who needs to talk to an attorney and see how he can help you when you are caught. I think thisd is just hitting too close to home for you personally. Isn't it?

August 10, 2006 9:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will answer your challenge: in honesty, nobody can know what they will do in a given situation until they experience. My children have not been molested by him. Your children were not raped by him.

Would my reaction be any different if he had touched my children with their clothes on? No, I don't think so. But, I have discussed these matters with my children. They have complained when the doctor touches them. One, at the age of 9, asked his doctor if he enjoyed doing that. He obviously didn't. The doctor touched him and his private parts. My kid didn't enjoy it and complained and is no worse for wear. Should doctors be given life in prison too? Had he raped anyone, whatever conservatives say down south, there would be no question that he is a menace to be locked away. But, he didn't do that. Call it what you will, but to wish him so much evil, indeed, to call him evil refects a nasty bias on your part.

Would I let him be around my children? He has been around my children. I'm defending him because he's a Jew. I'd still give him a second chance, with therapy, a jail term and supervision. Anything more is excessive. A second time, and no sympathy. But, this is legally his first offense.

If it was your son with the deviant tendencies would you speak the same way too?

August 10, 2006 11:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lady states," Would my reaction be any different if he had touched my children with their clothes on ?" "No,I don't think so."

What kind of mother are you ?

If any one ever touched my children,with their clothes on, on their private parts (that's what were talking about), I'd have him locked up in a minute, and my husband would have to be contained,as he most likely would go after him, Jew or no Jew.

Your a wacko, simple as that. G-D help your children if they are (G-D forbid) ever touched by a person like juravel, because it seems that you would just gloss over it.

We arn't speaking about a Dr's professional exam, we're speaking about child molestation and as stated in juravel arrest warrent,juravels attitude was quite caveliar, as is yours.

Let him walk because he's a Jew ?
You mean to say if it was a Gentile, you'd go after him.

G-D help your children because you won't.

August 11, 2006 1:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You would give this guy a 2nd chance because he's a Jew. Are you Nut's ?

And whose child would you want to give him a second chance with, your's ?

Leopold & Loeb were both Jewish as was their victim, but in your book I guess that was O.K. because they were all Jewish.

I believe your thought process is a little off.

August 11, 2006 3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A bias on my part ? Your darn right there's a bias on my part.I've seen one of my closest friends distraut over the actions of juravel. I've seen a wonderful family, wife, children,in laws, that gave this guy everything,hurt beyond words. I've seen the destruction he has left in his wake.
I've seen a community shaken to it's boots,in shock and all have been betrayed by this person.
You bet I hold a bias towards this person,and it certainly isn't in his favor. His actions sicken me and ALL of my friends. You bet I'm bias !

August 11, 2006 5:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You bet I'm bias !"

That says it all. not merely, biased, bias itself.

Leopold and Loeb committed murder. Is what SJ did the same? That your friends agree with you proves what? They listen to you. So do we.

August 11, 2006 8:36 AM  
Anonymous JustTheFacts said...

At the hearing yesterday, Mr. Juravel changed his plea to guilty on counts I, II and IV. The judge found him guilty of those counts. There was no plea change with respect to count III (child pornography count). I assume that part of the plea agreement included dropping the child pornography charge. A sentencing hearing will be scheduled at which time he will be sentenced for the crimes he committed.

August 11, 2006 8:54 AM  
Anonymous JustTheFacts said...

Plea Agreement Update: The plea agreement provides that Mr. Juravel will be sentenced to 262 months in prison; will be placed on supervised release for life; that he shall have no unsupervised one-on-one contact with any children under the age of 18; that he not engage in any occupation, employment or volunteer activities which would place him in a position of trust with children under 18; that he register as a sex offender; that his internet access be limited to employment purposes only; that the probation officer be allowed complete and unrestricted access to any computers, media, photographs, and videos in his possession or control. The plea agreement also provides that the "Repeat and Dangerous Sex Offender Against Minor" sentencing guideline offense enhancement applies to Mr. Juravel.

August 11, 2006 9:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who keeps defending shmuel, who stated " Would my reaction be any different if he had touched my children with their clothes on? No, I don't think so."
Like I said earlier....you are defending him because this hits too close to home since you must, too, do these seedy things. A doctor visit compared to this? G-d help anyone who is ever around you as I am convinced after reading all of your posts you are a dangerous person. You are also as sick as SJ. You are NO JEW so quit saying you are.

August 11, 2006 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
I will answer your challenge: in honesty, nobody can know what they will do in a given situation until they experience. My children have not been molested by him. Your children were not raped by him. "

You fail to realize the evil of what he did. I have checked the Georgia statuatory code, and site it here:

16-6-4.
(a) A person commits the offense of child molestation when he or she does any immoral or indecent act to or in the presence of or with any child under the age of 16 years with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the person.
(b) A person convicted of a first offense of child molestation shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years. Upon such first conviction of the offense of child molestation, the judge may probate the sentence; and such probation may be upon the special condition that the defendant undergo a mandatory period of counseling administered by a licensed psychiatrist or a licensed psychologist. However, if the judge finds that such probation should not be imposed, he or she shall sentence the defendant to imprisonment; provided, further, that upon a defendant´s being incarcerated on a conviction for such first offense, the Department of Corrections shall provide counseling to such defendant. Upon a second or subsequent conviction of an offense of child molestation, the defendant shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten years nor more than 30 years or by imprisonment for life; provided, however, that prior to trial, a defendant shall be given notice, in writing, that the state intends to seek a punishment of life imprisonment. Adjudication of guilt or imposition of sentence for a conviction of a second or subsequent offense of child molestation, including a plea of nolo contendere, shall not be suspended, probated, deferred, or withheld.

If the first offense was a touching within clothes and there was no other evidence of a pattern of offenses or premeditation, then a judge in Georgia would be expected to give a light sentence.

In the case of SJ, there was premeditation and a pattern of deception. The judge would not be expected to give a light sentence.

After the sentencing in Alabama by a federal court, the Chatham County District Attory and US Attorney in Savannah will have their chance. There is enough evidence to provide multiple convictions. This would mean that he will not walk.

If he is sentenced in Georgia, the State prison in Reidsville is a tough place. Jewish prisoners have had a particularly tough time there. If you want SJ to have the easiest time possible, push for a long federal sentence. This may deter the Georgia prosecution and allow him to spend the rest of his life in a federal prison where there are other Jews.

"Would my reaction be any different if he had touched my children with their clothes on? No, I don't think so. But, I have discussed these matters with my children. They have complained when the doctor touches them. One, at the age of 9, asked his doctor if he enjoyed doing that. He obviously didn't. The doctor touched him and his private parts. My kid didn't enjoy it and complained and is no worse for wear. Should doctors be given life in prison too? Had he raped anyone, whatever conservatives say down south, there would be no question that he is a menace to be locked away. But, he didn't do that. Call it what you will, but to wish him so much evil, indeed, to call him evil refects a nasty bias on your part. "

I am a liberal and not a conservative. I have feelings of compassion for the survivors and not the perpretrator. My children understand the difference between a doctor's examination and molestation. Either my wife or I would be there with the doctor anyway to explain at the time.

Your lack of understanding is serious.

"Would I let him be around my children? He has been around my children. "

If you would provide your name, I would call child protective services on you immediately. If you would allow him around your children, you are placing your children in danger.

"I'm defending him because he's a Jew. I'd still give him a second chance, with therapy, a jail term and supervision. Anything more is excessive. A second time, and no sympathy. But, this is legally his first offense. "

Many of his victims are Jews. My first concern is with his Jewish victims.

"If it was your son with the deviant tendencies would you speak the same way too?"

Heaven forbid, maybe. However, I would never endanger my other children, or anyone elses by allowing him near them.

If you are his mother or father. I am truly sorry for your pain. However, that would not justify allowing him, and perhaps helping him to hurt others.

August 11, 2006 9:27 AM  

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